> On 24 Oct 2019, at 11:18 pm, Jon Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2019, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>> A thought crossed my mind the other day as I was having a discussion with
>> someone.
>>
>> Every entity is suppose to justify their need for IPv4 address space from
>> ARIN. This was always (in recent history) the case.
>>
>> No entity is suppose to be given more IPv4 space until they have nearly
>> exhausted their previous space.
>>
>> How is it, then, that we daily for the last 2-3 years have places like Hilco
>> that have sometimes 15-20 large IPv4 blocks up for auction?
>>
>> Supposedly we are completely out of IPv4 space, yet every day large blocks
>> are being sold for money, yet they were never returned because they weren’t
>> needed.
>>
>> Another thought: being that IPv4 address space is essentially leased to you
>> from ARIN, can you even legally auction your space to someone else? I know
>> it’s happening, but it would almost be like me auctioning my apartment to
>> another random person.
>
> There are probably more qualified people who can answer this, but lots of IP
> space was handed out to organizations (and even to individuals) long before
> the RIRs like ARIN were created. Those "assignments" / "allocations"
> (whatever you want to call them) are outside of the control of the RIRs
> because they had no involvement in them.
>
> With more recent IP spaces that were first assigned/allocated by an RIR and
> are therefore regulated by the RIRs, I believe purchases of those IP blocks
> are contingent on getting RIR approval for the transfer, meaning the buyer,
> in addition to paying the seller, would have to justify their need to the
> appropriate RIR and get the RIR's blessing on the transfer.
And most of the pre-RIR allocations where also needs based. I know I had to
justify the B and 3 C’s I got back in ’88 from SRI-NIC (pre-CIDR).
Unfortunately I don’t have the paperwork anymore. You had to do projected host
estimates out several years. 4 sites with one with over 254 hosts ….
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