If you want the increased security and can afford so, by all means use it. 

If you cannot afford the increased security, I guess the response is to just 
bugger off... we don't need your kind? 




----- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Matt Harris" <m...@netfire.net> 
To: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
Cc: "Constantine A. Murenin" <muren...@gmail.com>, "North American Network 
Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:02:26 AM 
Subject: Re: Wikipedia drops support for old Android smartphones; mandates 
TLSv1.2 to read 



On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 2:30 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> wrote: 



Why do I need Wikipedia SSLed? I know the argument. But if it doesn’t work why 
not either let it fall back to 1.0 or to HTTP. 

This seems like security for no valid reason. 




Being able to authenticate that the content you've requested is coming from the 
source from which you requested it seems like a pretty valid reason to me. If 
you live in a privileged nation with democratic governance, and you have ISP 
choice and your ISP doesn't and won't hijack your connections and you're not 
otherwise in an environment where your connections may be hijacked for any 
number of reasons by any number of parties, then you may not think about this 
very much. Employing the best (popular, well-supported, well-documented, 
completely open) current standard, TLS 1.2, instead of supporting deprecated, 
known-flawed previous versions of that protocol also seems like an entirely 
reasonable idea, too. 


If you don't like that this potentially disenfranchises users of old devices 
(and there's perhaps a case to be made here), then the ire should be imho 
directed towards the device vendors for not issuing security updates for 
whatever version you wish were able to support modern technology. Not at free 
web-based services for ending support for deprecated, known-flawed 
protocols/ciphers/etc. If google wanted to issue an update for older android 
versions to support TLS1.2 then they absolutely could, though users may see 
some detrimental performance impact to using modern technology on an outdated 
device. 


This isn't a new issue, and we as the greater internet community have generally 
tackled it by taking aggressive measures towards deprecating known-flawed 
technologies on a conservative timeline. 


RFC5246 was published over a decade ago. 


- mdh 


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