There are two sides to every story…
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 09:44, Lu Heng <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>h <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear John: > > The statements you made are very misleading. > > Here are some clarifications: > > Cloud Innovation is disputing AFRINIC’s claim that Cloud Innovation is > in breach of the agreement. Cloud Innovation maintains that we are a > compliant member. > > 1. While I make no comment regarding the justification of our > resources. we have rights just like any other registrant to keep our > justification material confidential. We would like to share some > public data here: > Cloud innovation accounts for 80% of all AFRINIC whois updates in 2021 > to date and in AFRINIC whois, over 10 million (roughly 10% of all > AFRINIC space) IP addresses whois information has not been updated in > more than 10 years. 40million (roughly 40%) IP addresses have not been > updated in more than 5 years. Have all of them been required to > provide re-justification while they don’t bother to update whois? > 313 out of 1800 members have not made a single assignment in their > allocations more than a year after receiving. 641 member registered > show less than 50% utilization, while AFRINIC’s CPM 5.5.1.9 requires > at least 50% utilization. All of those member are in violation, > including several major telecoms. > However according to one press we saw, AFRINIC only audited 15 member > and terminated 5 of them, Cloud Innovation being the most compliant > member in terms of whois update and utilization data provided to > AFRINIC as data shows above. > > 2. I did go to ARIN for resource, ARIN requested customer personal > information down to street names, personal address, all of which we do > not collect in our business from end users due to data privacy > concerns. I have mentioned in one of ARIN’s meeting and received a > consistent answer that it must be provided before the resources can be > allocated. While I later understood it is part of ARIN policy, I still > believe that it is an unwise policy which puts ARIN in possession of a > large collection of personally identifying information (PII). > So abandoning our ARIN application for resources after RIPE ran out, > was a legitimate business decision and IMHO, a morally correct one > made in order to protect the privacy of our customer’s. > John's statement is misleading at best. John himself has repeatedly > stated that ARIN does not deny requests, but that applicant’s often > abandon requests when they are unwilling or unable to provide the > requested data. That’s exactly what happened here. Contrary to John’s > claim, that ARIN refused the application in question, the actual facts > of the matter are that Outside Heaven chose to abandon its request > rather than compromise the confidentiality of its customers and trust > ARIN with such a significant amount of customer PII. > > 4. Cloud Innovation's utilization is global, roughly 30% Asia and 30% > US, with rest equally spread throughout Europe, AFRICA, and Latin > America. There is nothing in AFRINIC policy manual which restricts > usage of resource anywhere. And it is also common practice of several > large US firms to use ARIN space either globally or across multiple > regions at least. > > 5. Unless ARIN admits it has been given the justification submitted to > AFRINIC by Cloud Innovation in past years, we don't think it is within > ARIN’s mandate to comment whether it is being used for the same > purpose or not. John, please clarify, have you received the > justification material we submitted to AFRINIC? Do you have any inside > knowledge about it? We would be very keen to know if AFRINIC has > disclosed our private data to a third party in this process in > violation of the very agreement they (unjustly) accuse us of > breaching. > > 6. We find your discussion of the RIR stability fund most interesting… > Please correct us if we misunderstand, but our understanding is that > the fund requires the unanimous consent of all 5 RIR CEOs in order to > be utilized. As such, it appears you are attempting to mislead the > community by making a 20% promise as if it were a 100% assurance. > > For the above reasons, we think that Mr. Curran has not provided a > balanced or fully accurate representation of the facts to the ARIN > community here and we hope that the above clarification will help > members of the community come to a more fully informed opinion. > > Finally, while we realize that this is inappropriate for PPML, as it > does not really touch on any ARIN policy discussion, we believe that > Mr. Curran’s post could not be allowed to stand without rebuttal. > Since he chose to make such a non-policy post to PPML, we felt that > our posting of the rebuttal here was justified. > > Unless Mr. Curran or other ARIN staff member(s) choose to further > engage on this topic here, this will be our only post on the matter to > this list. We would also welcome the opportunity to take the > discussion to a more appropriate ARIN list if Mr. Curran prefers that > alternative. >
