No quibble about the discussion happening on a NOG list, not at all. But frankly unless the proposal is even starting to move forward in the IETF process such that a standards change is possible, it's just noise. ( I don't predict that the draft being discussed ever gets that far anyways ; it has serious deficiencies.)
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 6:53 PM Greg Skinner via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree. iMO, this 240/4 issue is another one of those tussles in > cyberspace > <https://david.choffnes.com/classes/cs4700fa14/papers/tussle.pdf>. But > I don’t fault IETF people or anyone else who pursues technical solutions to > these types of problems as long as they are open and honest about the > limitations of these solutions. > > Also, IMO, the value of having a discussion about this issue here (and > other NOG forums) is to get the perspective of people who (generally > speaking) deal more immediately with the problems the broader “online" > population has with IETF-based technology. > > —gregbo > > On Mar 8, 2022, at 9:25 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > I'm beginning to wonder if the internet will survive the ipv6 adoption > debates. > > Here's the real problem which you all can promptly ignore: > > The IETF et al are full of bright technical people who can design > protocols, packet formats, etc. > > But many of the major problems facing the internet are not, at their > core, engineering problems. > > They're in the realm of social, legal, marketing, politics, int'l > policy, governance, law enforcement, commerce, economics, sociology, > psychology, etc. which TBH as bright as many of the engineers et al > are these problems are way beyond their ken, occasional polymath > excepted. > > But first you have to admit you have a problem, and limitations. > > Shouting at the rafters about address space depletion etc while waving > RFCs may not quite do it. > > Similar can be said about spam, malware attacks, phishing, etc. > > Yet another cryptographic protocol probably won't save the day but as > the expression goes when all you have is a hammer the whole world > looks like a nail. > > -- > -Barry Shein > > Software Tool & Die | bzs at TheWorld.com | > http://www.TheWorld.com > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD > The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* > > >
