*nods* Two conversations:
1) What does tier 1 mean? 2) Does it matter? 1) Varies, based on if you are trying to include yourself in that list or not. 2) No. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Beecher" <beec...@beecher.cc> To: "Rubens Kuhl" <rube...@gmail.com> Cc: "Nanog" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 10:58:58 AM Subject: Re: Allegedly Tier 1s in Wikipedia This conventional interpretation is the one I'm applying in this question. I would argue even the 'conventional' definition of 'Tier 1' has been nebulous for long enough that it doesn't really matter much anymore. Who a network connects with and how is all that matters, regardless of what label they want to apply to themselves. On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 2:41 PM Rubens Kuhl < rube...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 3:19 PM Geoff Huston < g...@apnic.net > wrote: > > > > > On 1 Aug 2022, at 11:10 am, Tom Paseka via NANOG < nanog@nanog.org > wrote: > > > > Paying for "peering", doesn't stop you being a tier-1. > > > > Being a Tier-1 means you are "transit free" (technical term, not > > commercial). No one is transiting your routes to other Tier-1 providers. > > > > There are a lot of potential interpretations of “Tier 1” and often folk use > the one that benefits their own classification (obviously!). The one I think > corresponds to the conventional interpretation is "I’m a Tier 1 because I > have a SKA peering agreement with other Tier 1 networks and I pay no other > network for transit or peering”, or more informally, “I’m a Tier 1 because I > pay nobody and everyone pays me, except for my peers.” This conventional interpretation is the one I'm applying in this question. > I suspect that what goes on is “I’m a Tier 1 because I say so, and noone has > contradicted me yet!" :-) Which is unfortunately what some operators serving my region try applying. And after being contradicted, they move to "regional Tier-1" speech, which is something nobody ever defined. Rubens </blockquote>
