Alex -
We only provide certification services to resource holders who have a
registration services agreement with ARIN.
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
> On 16 Sep 2022, at 12:21 PM, Alex Band <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> In the interest of routing security, when you say ‘basic services’ would ARIN
> consider offering resource holders who did not sign an (L)RSA the ability to
> run their own RPKI CA, i.e. you offer them a resource certificate and nothing
> else, much like what NIC.br currently does in Brazil.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Alex
>
>> On 16 Sep 2022, at 17:53, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Tom -
>>
>> It’s an artifact of our formation that we are presently providing services
>> to any customers absent any agreement
>> and while ARIN continues to do so (by providing basic services to legacy
>> customers), the long-term direction is
>> to provide the same services to all customers under the same agreement and
>> fees – anything else wouldn’t be
>> equitable.
>>
>> (This is the direction that the ARIN Board of Trustees has set based on
>> community input; I will note that
>> the ARIN Board is itself elected by the community and that we have our
>> annual election upcoming –
>> https://www.arin.net/announcements/20220906-arinslate/ )
>>
>> FYI,
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>
>>
>>> On 16 Sep 2022, at 9:55 AM, Tom Krenn via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks John! I’ve been working on this with our attorneys for almost a
>>> year. I did send over the revisions and it will be good to see what they
>>> say. But I’m not sure it will be enough to reduce the perceived risk. Has
>>> ARIN considered separating the fee structure and service goals from the
>>> drive to get everyone under an RSA?
>>>
>>> Tom Krenn
>>> Network Architect
>>> Enterprise Architecture - Information Technology
>>>
>>> From: John Curran <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 8:42 PM
>>> To: Tom Krenn <[email protected]>
>>> Cc: Rubens Kuhl <[email protected]>; North American Network Operators'
>>> Group <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA
>>> entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the
>>> Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Sep 2022, at 9:29 PM, Tom Krenn via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> An interesting idea, but like others have said I think the ship may have
>>> sailed for RPKI. Really I have no problem with the ARIN fees. They are a
>>> drop in the bucket for most network budgets. In fact as a legacy holder I
>>> would gladly pay the same as an RIR-allocated resource holder if it would
>>> allow the use of the more advanced services. It's the ownership question
>>> and RSA/LRSA language that throws the wrench in everything.
>>>
>>> As John said " I will note that ARIN’s approach is the result of aiming for
>>> a different target – that more specifically being the lowest possible fees
>>> administered on an equitable basis for _all resource holders_ in the
>>> region.". If that's the goal, give us the option to pay the same without
>>> all the legal mess around signing the RSA/LRSA. I'm sure that's what has
>>> been holding some organizations back for the couple decades mentioned. It
>>> has been the major stumbling point for a few of the ones I've been part of
>>> over the years.
>>>
>>> Tom -
>>>
>>> Over the years, ARIN has made several revisions to the RSA/LRSA to make it
>>> both clearer and more customer friendly,
>>> and the most recent version (announced earlier this week -
>>> <https://www.arin.net/announcements/20220912/>) strikes
>>> much of the language in section 7 that some legal teams had objection to…
>>> It is likely not everything you want, but I
>>> would suggest taking a fresh look at it as it was substantially reduced
>>> specifically to address the most cited customer
>>> concern regarding the legal obligations in the prior version of the
>>> RSA/LRSA.
>>>
>>> FYI,
>>> /John
>>>
>>> John Curran
>>> President and CEO
>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>>
>>>
>>>
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