Some of you have pointed out (onlist and offlist) the importance of the OS to 
these concerns. Yes, that makes sense. THe Venn Diagram of hardware that 
can\can't and OSes that can\can't. 

I'd appreciate some feedback as well on the OS side of things. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> 
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 8:03:49 AM 
Subject: Whitebox Routers Beyond the Datasheet 


I'm looking at the suitability of whitebox routers for high through, low port 
count, fast BGP performance applications. Power efficiency is important as 
well. 


What I've kind of come down to (based on little more than spec sheets) are the 
EdgeCore AGR400 and the UfiSpace S9600-30DX. They can both accommodate at least 
three directions of 400G for linking to other parts of my network and then have 
enough 100G or slower ports to connect to transit, peers, and customers as 
appropriate. Any other suggestions for platforms similar to those would be 
appreciated. 


They both appear to carry buffers large enough to accommodate buffering 
differences in port capacities, which is an issue I've seen with boxes more 
targeted to cloud\datacenter switching. 


What isn't in the spec sheets is BGP-related information. They don't mention 
how many routes they can hold, just that they have additional TCAM to handle 
more routes and features. That's wonderful and all, but does it take it from 
64k routes to 512k routes, or does it take it from 256k routes up to the 
millions of routes? Also, BGP convergence isn't listed (nor do I rarely ever 
see it talked about in such sheets). I know that software-based routers can now 
load a full table in 30 seconds or less. I know that getting the FIB updated 
takes a little bit longer. I know that withdrawing a route takes a little bit 
longer. However, often, that performance is CPU-based. An underpowered CPU may 
take a minute or more to load that table and may take minutes to handle route 
churn. Can anyone speak to these routers (or routers like these) ability to 
handle modern route table activity? 


My deployment locations and philosophies simply won't have me in an environment 
where I need the density of dozens of 400G\100G ports. That the routers that 
seem to be more marketed to the use case are designed for. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


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