Dan White wrote:
On 23/10/09 17:58 -0400, James R. Cutler wrote:
Blocking the well known port 25 does not block sending of mail. Or the
message content.

It does block incoming SMTP traffic on that well known port.

Then the customer should have bought a class of service that permits servers.

I think the relevant neutrality principle is that traffic is not blocked
by content.

My personal definition doesn't quite gel with that. You're deciding for the
customer how they can use their connection, before you have any evidence of
nefarious activity.

They decided for themselves when they bought a residential connection instead of a business circuit. Just because someone bought themselves a Camry doesn't mean that Toyota is deciding for them that they can't haul 1000lbs of concrete with it. The customer did when they decided to buy a car and not a pickup.

Would you consider restricting a customer's outgoing port 25 traffic to a
specific mail server a step over the net neutrality line?

I do this all the time. For example I don't let my customers send or receive mail (or any traffic for that matter) from prefixes originating from AS32311 (Colorado spammer Scott Richter). Now if I was blocking mail to dnc.org, gop.com, greenpeace.org, etc or restricting Vonage to .05% of my bandwidth then yeah that would violate net neutrality principles. The difference is one stifles speech and is anti-competitive. The other mitigates a network security and stability risk.

I see this same argument on Slashdot all too often. It's usually bundled with an argument against providers doing any sort of traffic aggregation ("if I buy 1.5Mbps then it should be a dedicated pipe straight to the Internet!") Unfortunately that's simply not reality. You can either live with a small level of controls on your traffic for the sake of stability and security or you can have wide-open ISPs with no security prohibitions whatsoever. The support costs for the ISPs go through the roof and of course that gets passed onto the customer. Your 5 9s SLA gets replaced with "use it while you can before it goes down again". Everyone pays a penalty for having a digital Wild West. Not to start another thread on a completely OT topic but the same concept can be applied to other things like health care. Either everyone can pay a little bit for all to have good service or many average consumers can pay lots to make up the losses for those that can't pay at all.

Justin




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