On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Darren Bolding wrote:

> * Defense in depth.  You've never had a host that received external traffic 
> ever accidentally have iptables or windows firewall turned off?  Even when 
> debugging a production outage or on accident?

Again, policy should be enforced via stateless ACLs in router/switch hardware 
capable of handling mpps.  'Stateful inspection' where in fact there is no 
useful state to inspect is pointless.

> * Location for IDS/IDP.

Non-sequitur, as these things have nothing to do with one another (plus, these 
devices are useless, anyways, heh).

> * Connection cleanup, re-assembling fragments, etc.

Far, far, far better and more scalably handled by the hosts themselves and/or 
load-balancers.

> * SYN flood protection, etc.

Firewalls simply don't handle this well, marketing claims aside.  They crash 
and burn.

> * Single choke point to block incoming traffic deemed undesirable.

Again, policy should be enforced via stateless ACLs in router/switch hardware 
capable of handling mpps.

> * Single log point for inbound connections for analysis and auditing 
> requirements.

Contextless, arbitrary syslog from firewalls and other such devices is largely 
useless for this purpose.  NetFlow combined with server/app/service logs is the 
answer to this requirement.

> * Allows outbound traffic enforcement.

Again, policy should be enforced via stateless ACLs in router/switch hardware 
capable of handling mpps.

> * Allows conditional inbound traffic from specific approved external hosts- 
> e.g. a partner.

Again, policy should be enforced via stateless ACLs in router/switch hardware 
capable of handling mpps.

> * Some firewalls allow programmatic modification of configurations with all 
> the benefits/pain that brings.  This is alongside traditional CLI and GUI 
> interfaces.

Ugly, brittle, siloed, to be avoided at all costs.

> * In some/many cases a zone based firewall configuration can be much easier 
> to work with than a large iptables config.  Certainly the management tools 
> are better.

Again, policy should be enforced via stateless ACLs in router/switch hardware 
capable of handling mpps.

> * Yeah, auditors like it.

Education is the answer here.

;>

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