On Jan 5, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Robert Brockway wrote:

> Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?  You've just asserted 
> that all firewalls have a specific vulnerability.  It isn't even possible to 
> know the complete set of architectures (hardware & software) used for 
> firewalls so I don't see how you can assert they all have this vulnerability.

Just about every ddos i've ever been involved in mitigation results in some 
device labeled "firewall" blowing it's brains and crippling the company further 
than if they had utilized a more distributed model.

When combined with various other layers of mitigation that are either 
integrated or inline with another device we've spent lots of time 
troubleshooting which exact device was causing the most trouble.

I can't cite specific cases unless my customers say I can, but it's somewhat 
amusing to watch some C* of a company realize they've wasted money on a 
device/service that actually made the problem worse in the face of an attack.

There are those that might say the protection devices were not properly used, 
configured, etc... and if that's the case, it reflects the sad state of the 
lack of maturity of the industry/tech.  (Or that it's obsolete).

- Jared

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