On 2/20/2010 4:57 PM, James Hess wrote:

For the purpose of the following two paragraphs, pretend for the moment
that you operate a business selling stuff via an email address
[email protected].  For dramatic effect, assume your children will
starve if you are not able to sell anything.

Further, pretend that you have really annoyed somebody--a competitor,
perhaps.  Suppose that your competitor has contracted with a real,
genuine spammer to send email mmessages advertizing some trash at a rate
of tens of thousands per second until the bot-net gets shut down   using
[email protected] as the Return-Path.

Now.  Read the two paragraphs.

> Spurious DSNs  are less harmful than missing DSNs.  Spurious DSNs can
> be discarded easily by the mail server that knows it didn't pass that
> message.    DSNs that were not generated cannot be recovered.
> 
> Discarding is currently the responsibility of the mail server whose
> address has been forged.  Just like it's the responsibility of a host
> whose source address was forged in a TCP transaction, to  discard  the
> "ACK"  packet for a connection that resulted from a spoofed SYN.

Anything about those two 'graphs you would like to reconsider?


And by the way, when I was running a network, if I got very many errant
SYN's from a particular source, that source would get a static route to
a 500 ohm resistor.

> The mail server sending DSN for the fake message, or replying to a
> spoofed SYN is  not a spammer in any way,   they are actually a victim
>  wasting their own bandwidth  responding to a bogus message.  

Victim they may be, spammer they are,  The definition of "spammer" does
not include a "get even with the world" or "do unto others as was done
unto you" clauses.

-- 
"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to
take everything you have."

Remember:  The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals.

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