On Aug 13, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Ken Chase wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:15:51PM -0400, John R. Levine said: >>>> I don't entirely understand the process. Here's the flow chart as far >>>> as I've figured it out: >>>> >>>> 1. A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B for, say, $5,000 >>>> >>>> 2. A tells ARIN to transfer the chunk to B >>>> >>>> 3. ARIN says no, B hasn't shown that they need it >>>> >>>> 4. A and B say screw it, and B announces the space anyway >>>> >>>> 5. ??? >>> >>> 6. ARIN receives a fraud/abuse complaint that A's space is being used >>> by B. >>> 7. ARIN discovers that A is no longer using the space in accordance >>> with their RSA >>> 8. ARIN reclaims the space and A and B are left to figure out who owes >>> what to whom. >> >> 9. A and B ignore ARIN's email and continue to announce what they've been >> announcing. >> >> 10. ARIN attempts to allocate the /20 to someone else, who is not amused. >> >> Note that at this point ARIN presumably has no more v4 space left, so a >> threat never to allocate more space to A or B isn't very scary. Given its >> limited practical leverage, ARIN is only effective insofar as its members >> and customers agree that playing by ARIN's rules is more beneficial than >> ignoring them. > > Right, and Im answering my own question here, for (8) about the reclaiming - > what upstream is going to stop carrying prefixes from a downstream that's > 'illegally' announcing them? Is this upstream going to cut that customer off > and > lose the revenue, just to satisfy ARIN's bleating? From what I gather, all > that > ARIN can do is remove the NS records for the i-a.a reverse zone for the > offending > block, making SMTP a little trickier from the block, but not much else. > ARIN can do quite a bit more if the resources are under RSA. If they are legacy resources (which I don't believe there are such things as legacy /20s), then, it's a bit murkier, but, I wouldn't completely count ARIN out.
> Unless I didnt see the other large sticks ARIN's carrying? I've never seen > them > send hired goons to anyone's door... yet? Contract law anyone? Perhaps you should re-read your RSAs. Owen
