Leo,
Maybe we can fix this by:
a) bringing together larger groups of clueful operators in the IETF
b) deciding which issues interest them
c) showing up and being vocal as a group in protocol developing working groups
To some degree, we already do this in the IETF OPS area, but judging by your
comments, we don't do it nearly enough.
Comments?
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Anybody can participate in the IETF (Was: Why is IPv6 broken?)
In a message written on Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 06:16:09PM +0200, Jeroen Massar
wrote:
> Ehmmmm ANYBODY, including you, can sign up to the IETF mailing lists
> and participate there, just like a couple of folks from NANOG are already
> doing.
The way the IETF and the operator community interact is badly broken.
The IETF does not want operators in many steps of the process. If you try to
bring up operational concerns in early protocol development for example you'll
often get a "we'll look at that later" response, which in many cases is right.
Sometimes you just have to play with something before you worry about the
operational details. It also does not help that many operational types are not
hardcore programmers, and can't play in the sandbox during the major
development cycles.
