Let me say it differently.
Take a look at thier AS174 peering relationship, (e.g using
bgp.he.net), you can see that they (Cogent) are very well connected
(directly) with all of the major networks. (this is what I meant by,
they deal with all of the major carriers).
Your experience with traffic is very different from what we have seen,
while I can understand that, it can be due to many factors.
Based on AS Peering relationships, it would appear that Major / Most of
the end user ISP's have them in their mix. I my opinion the Hosting
providers use Cogent as a way to off load incoming traffic from the
more expensive carriers. Cogent performance is very decent if the
traffic is all on-net ... they typically have issues when traffic is
crossing their network, i.e. coming in and going out via their peers to
other networks.
While the Kia and Ferrari example is cute, but when put into the context
of 'Traffic' or 'Speed limit', then neither has the advantage. One might
look good driving in a Ferrari.. but I digress.... packets are agnostic
of what brand of router they are traveling thru or whose network they
are transiting.
We are in agreement, that Cogent makes a good backup secondary or
tertiary in a mix of Ip transit. However having said that it is valuable
to check the bgp peering relationships of the different providers that
you have, to make sure that you are choosing providers based on actual
diversity rather than a perceived one.
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet& Telecom
On 5/15/2012 12:32 AM, Ameen Pishdadi wrote:
Has nothing to do with whether or not they deal with all the major carriers , they
are a budget provider , always have , always will be. Aside from that what matters
the most is eye ball user connectivity and level3 , AT&T, Verizon significantly
have more eye balls connected directly to there network then cogent , we have
cogent and level3 and 5 other providers on our Chicago network , with out any
traffic engineering almost every thing will come in or go out level3, we use
traffic optimizing equipment to automate our commit levels and also do performance
based routing adjustments , I literally have to put a gun to its head to get a
descent amount of traffic out to cogent , you may say it's a matter of opinion but
statistics don't lie, even Telia out performs cogent according to stats , not just
cause they have a massive eye ball network in Europe.
Ask yourself , who are the majority customers of cogent? Not end user ISPs ,
hosting companies aka content providers, and when there selling bandwidth
cheaper then it costs to peer then there going to keep there costs to the
minimum ... Cheaper is cheaper , the saying is true , you get what you pay for.
A Kia and Ferrari can both get me from point a to point b, but the Ferrari is
capable of getting me there way quicker, and yes I'm going to pay a premium for
it but if I'm going from NYC to San Fran I'd definitely feel safer in the
Ferrari reliability wise and get there a hell of a lot quicker...
But like I said and the other 10 replies nothing wrong with cogent in a nice
blend of 3 or more other providers ...
Thanks,
Ameen Pishdadi
On May 14, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz<fai...@snappydsl.net> wrote:
I often tell folks, Cogent is the 'Heidi Fleiss' of the industry ...... pretty
much everyone of the major carriers / providers deal with them.. but no one
wants to admit it.
I don't think there is any carrier out there that could be considered 'Premium'
in terms of quality of service (yeah their are a lot of folks who are Premium
based on what they charge)...
One can only hedge one's bet for a quality connection by having multiple
providers (you can mix and match) or go with some one like Internap or Tinet
(folks who are taking traffic across multiple providers at their POP).
Of course your mileage may vary.... as long as you have alternate connectivity,
it makes dealing with issues more palatable, whether it is Cogent or Level3...
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet& Telecom
On 5/14/2012 10:38 PM, Ameen Pishdadi wrote:
No way they stack up against level3 or any of the other 4 big tier 1s but if
you throw them in a blend with level3 there shouldn't be any issue and I
wouldn't pay more the .75 cents a meg for a gig
Thanks,
Ameen Pishdadi
On May 14, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Jason Baugher<ja...@thebaughers.com> wrote:
The emails on the Outages list reminded me to ask this question...
I've done some searching and haven't been able to find much in the last 3 years
as to their reliability and suitability as an upstream provider. For a regional
ISP looking for GigE ports in the Chicago/St. Louis area, is Cogent a
reasonable solution? Our gut feeling is that they don't stack up against a
Level3 or Sprint, but they are being very aggressive with pricing to try and
get our business.
Thanks,
Jason
