On Jan 15, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Leo Bicknell <[email protected]> wrote:

> However, a good engineer would know there are drawbacks to next-hop-self, in 
> particular it slows convergence in a number of situations.  There are 
> networks where fast convergence is more important than route scaling, and 
> thus the traditional design of BGP next-hops being edge interfaces, and edge 
> interfaces in the IGP performs better.

A good engineer also knows that there are huge drawbacks to having a peer's 
network infrastructure DDoSed, routes flapping, core bandwidth consumed by tens 
and hundreds of gb/sec of attack traffic, et. al., too.

;>

> By attempting to force IX participants to not put the route in IGP, those IX 
> participants are collectively deciding on a slower converging network for 
> everyone.  I don't like a world where connecting to an exchange point forces 
> a particular network design on participants.

Concur.  But that's the world we live in, unfortunately.

It's just another example of the huge, concentric nature of the collateral 
damage arising from DDoS attacks, both from the attacks themselves, and from 
the compromises folks have to make in order to increase resilience against such 
attacks.

> That's some circular reasoning.

Not really.  What I'm saying is that since PMTU-D is already broken on so many 
endpoint networks - i.e., where traffic originates and where it terminates - 
that any issues arising from PMTU-D irregularities in IXP networks are trivial 
by comparison.

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