Well, with luck probably it will just bounce off their corporate hull and drift 
into the Kuiper belt. 

Say hi to Sugar ;)

 -mel

> On Mar 1, 2015, at 4:01 PM, "Dave Taht" <dave.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Mel Beckman <m...@beckman.org> wrote:
>> Dave,
>> 
>> I appreciate all your work on buffer bloat. It looks like you have done 
>> quite a lot of selfless contribution. However, I don't think you're 
>> effectively communicating with the people who can change things.
>> 
>> After I read what you said, here is what I would have heard as a service 
>> provider:
>> 
>> "I am the smartest person in the room.
> 
> I am pretty close to being the smartest person in the room. That said,
> people like van jacobson, eric dumazet, tom herbert, jim gettys, eric
> raymond, vint cerf, dave reed, fred baker, and many, many others,
> smarter than me, have also been banging this drum, politely, and
> rationally, to not much effect, for 4+ years now.
> 
> google for any of those names and the word "bufferbloat".
> 
>> You better listen to me, because if you don't there will be trouble. But you 
>> probably won't because you're too stupid. Your customers suffer because you 
>> are idiots. Listen to me! This issue is too important for me to be polite, 
>> or even coherent. If you can't figure out what I'm saying, do some research 
>> and figure it out! Plus, apologize to me! I demand it!"
> 
> Oh, banning my ip for *3 links to sane benchmarks and fixes*,
> realllllly pushed me over the edge.
> 
>> Bees, honey, vinegar, etc.
> 
> I have been polite, constructive, and helpful, for four+ years. I have
> worked both in the background and foreground with many companies, to
> start hopefully, getting bufferbloat fixed across the entire edge of
> the internet. It hasn't worked fast enough for my liking, and the last
> batch of new products that claimed to fix it, didn't, and the market
> is now rife with genuine lies as to whether they did or not.
> 
> So, this morning, I tried this. Sorry for the noise on these lists.
> Honestly! I totally agree with your assessment of my tone, btw! but I
> would rather like the cable industry in particular, to come clean,
> with schedules for deployable fixes.
> 
> I am off to go fix wifi next, and I do hope that 2+ billion people in
> the world - if not the isps, maybe - would like wifi to get better
> also, and indeed, I spent the weekend constructively starting to
> implement some of the fixes I outlined at the last 802.11 meeting I
> attended. That part, on fixing wifi bufferbloat - a much harder
> problem than edge bufferbloat - , is a lot of fun! For some info on
> what we plan to do there, see:
> 
> http://snapon.lab.bufferbloat.net/~d/ieee802.11-sept-17-2014/11-14-1265-00-0wng-More-on-Bufferbloat.pdf
> 
> So I took a break from that, reared back, and got some stuff off my chest.
> 
> -- 
> Dave Täht
> Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable again!
> 
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/TVX3o84jjmb

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