new idea to free up network ranges for arin and ripe
give a class c to china firewall, then put all the existing china ranges back 
in allocation pool and reallocate to new customers.
anounce these new ranges with a higher pref than china ranges and then watch 
china start to cooperate at the nic level and abuse level

colin

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> On 20 Jul 2015, at 20:40, ML <m...@kenweb.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/20/2015 2:57 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 19:42:39 +0100, Colin Johnston said:
>>> see below for china ranges I believe, ipv4 and ipv6
>> You may believe... but are you *sure*?  (Over the years, we've seen
>> *lots* of "block China" lists that accidentally block chunks allocated
>> to Taiwan or Australia or other Pacific Rim destinations).
> 
> If you really wanted to go the route of blocking all/almost all China.  Isn't 
> there a short list of ASNs that provide transit to China citizens/networks?
> I'm referring to AS4134, AS4837, etc
> Wouldn't blackholing any prefix with those ASNs in the AS path accomplish the 
> goal and stay up to date with a new prefixes originated from China?
> 

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