On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:26 PM Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Nov 23, 2015, at 14:58 , Mark Andrews <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > In message <[email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]>>, Owen DeLong write > > s: > >> > >>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 14:16 , Christopher Morrow > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Except there’s no revenue share here. According to T-Mobile, the > >> streaming partners > >>>> aren’t paying anything to T-Mo and T-Mo isn’t paying them. It’s kind > >> of like zero-rating > >>>> in that the customers don’t pay bandwidth charges, but it’s different > >> in that the service > >>>> provider isn’t being asked to subsidize the network provider (usual > >> implementation of > >>>> zero-rating). > >>> > >>> equal exchange of value doesn't have to be dollars/pesos/euros > >>> changing hands right? > >>> -chris > >> > >> Sure, but I really don’t think there’s an exchange per se in this case, > >> given that T-Mo > >> is (at least apparently) willing to accommodate any streaming provider > >> that wants to > >> participate so long as they are willing to conform to a fairly basic set > >> of technical criteria. > > > > No. This is T-Mo saying they are neutral but not actually being so. > > This is like writing a job add for one particular person. > > > > Its just as easy to identify a UDP stream as it is a TCP stream. > > You can ratelimit a UDP stream as easily as a TCP stream. You can > > have congestion control over UDP as well as over TCP. Just because > > the base transport doesn't give you some of these and you have to > > implement them higher up the stack is no reason to throw out a > > transport. > > Are there a significant number (ANY?) streaming video providers using UDP > to deliver their streams? > > I admit I’m mostly ignorant here, but at least the ones I’m familiar with > all use TCP. >
Interesting discussion. Minor point answering Owen's question: YouTube is a major streaming video provider that uses UDP: http://blog.chromium.org/2015/04/a-quic-update-on-googles-experimental.html https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-tcpm-8.pdf (see slide 4)
