Apple TVs get their location indoors using the same method they use for other iOS devices when indoors - wifi ssid/Mac scanning.
Non-iOS devices are often capable of this as well. (As someone that spends >67% of his time underground and whose Apple TV requests my location from my underground bedroom and is very accurate) On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:36 PM Naslund, Steve <[email protected]> wrote: > Their app could request your devices location. Problem is a lot of > devices (like TVs, Apple TVs, most DVD player, i.e. device with built in > Netflix) don't know where they are and it cannot easily be added (indoor > GPS is still difficult/expensive) and even if they could should they be > believed. I think the bigger issue is whether any kind of regional > controls are enforceable or effective any more. > > Steven Naslund > Chicago IL > > -----Original Message----- > From: NANOG [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cryptographrix > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:21 PM > To: Spencer Ryan > Cc: North American Network Operators' Group > Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed > > Come now, content providers really just care that they have access to > regional controls more so than their ability to blanket-deny access (ok, > minus the MLB who are just insane). > > And part of those regional controls deal with the accuracy of the location > information. > > If their app can request my device's precise location, it doesn't need to > infer my location from my IP any more. > > As a matter of fact, it's only detrimental to them for it to do so, > because of the lack of accuracy from geo databases and the various reasons > that people use VPNs nowadays (i.e. for some devices that you can't even > turn VPN connections off for - OR in the case of IPv6, when you can't reach > a segment of the Internet without it). > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:17 PM Spencer Ryan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There is a large difference between "the VPN run at your house" and > > "Arguably the most popular, free, mostly anonymous tunnel broker service" > > > > If it were up to the content providers, they probably would block any > > IP they saw a VPN server listening on. > > > > > > *Spencer Ryan* | Senior Systems Administrator | [email protected] *Arbor > > Networks* > > +1.734.794.5033 (d) | +1.734.846.2053 (m) > > www.arbornetworks.com > > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Cryptographrix > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> I have a VPN connection at my house. There's no way for them to know > >> the difference between me using my home network connection from Hong > >> Kong or my home network connection from my house. > >> > >> Are they going to disable connectivity from everywhere they can > >> detect an open VPN port to, also? > >> > >> If they trust my v4 address, they can use that to establish > >> historical reference. Additionally, they can fail over to v4 if they > >> do not trust the > >> v6 address. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:05 PM Spencer Ryan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> There is no way for Netflix to know the difference between you being > >>> in NY and using the tunnel, and you living in Hong Kong and using the > tunnel. > >>> > >>> > >>> *Spencer Ryan* | Senior Systems Administrator | [email protected] > >>> *Arbor Networks* > >>> +1.734.794.5033 (d) | +1.734.846.2053 (m) > >>> www.arbornetworks.com > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Cryptographrix > >>> <[email protected] > >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Same, but until there's a real IPv6 presence in the US, it's really > >>>> annoying that they haven't come up with some fix for this. > >>>> > >>>> I have no plans to turn off IPv6 at home - I actually have many > >>>> uses for it, and as much as I dislike the controversy around it, > >>>> think that adoption needs to be prioritized, not penalized. > >>>> > >>>> Additionally, I think that discussing content provider control over > >>>> regional decisions isn't productive to the conversation, as they > >>>> didn't build the banhammer (wouldn't you want to control your own > >>>> content if you had made content specific to regional laws etc?). > >>>> > >>>> I.e. - not all shows need to have regional restrictions between New > >>>> York (where I live) and California (where my IPv6 /64 says I live). > >>>> > >>>> I'm able to watch House in the any state in the U.S.? Great - > >>>> ignore my intra-US proxy connection. > >>>> > >>>> My Netflix account randomly tries to connect from Tokyo because I > >>>> forgot to shut off my work VPN? Fine....let me know and I'll turn > >>>> *that* off. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:49 PM Spencer Ryan <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I don't blame them for blocking a (effectively) anonymous tunnel > >>>>> broker. I'm sure their content providers are forcing their hand. > >>>>> On Jun 3, 2016 3:46 PM, "Cryptographrix" > >>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Netflix needs to figure out a fix for this until ISPs actually > >>>>>> provide IPv6 natively. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:13 PM Blair Trosper > >>>>>> <[email protected] > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Confirmed that Hurricane Electric's TunnelBroker is now blocked > >>>>>> > by Netflix. Anyone nice people from Netflix perhaps want to > >>>>>> > take a > >>>>>> crack at > >>>>>> > this? > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Had the same problem at my house, but it was caused by the > >>>>>> > > IPv6 > >>>>>> > connection > >>>>>> > > to HE. Turned of V6 and the device worked. > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > -- > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > Sent with Airmail > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > On June 1, 2016 at 10:29:03 PM, Matthew Kaufman ( > >>>>>> [email protected]) > >>>>>> > > wrote: > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > Every device in my house is blocked from Netflix this evening > >>>>>> > > due > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> > > their new "VPN blocker". My house is on my own IP space, and > >>>>>> > > the > >>>>>> outside > >>>>>> > > of the NAT that the family devices are on is 198.202.199.254, > >>>>>> announced > >>>>>> > > by AS 11994. A simple ping from Netflix HQ in Los Gatos to my > >>>>>> house > >>>>>> > > should show that I'm no farther away than Santa Cruz, CA as > >>>>>> microwaves > >>>>>> > > fly. > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > Unfortunately, when one calls Netflix support to talk about > >>>>>> > > this, > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> > > only response is to say "call your ISP and have them turn off > >>>>>> > > the > >>>>>> VPN > >>>>>> > > software they've added to your account". And they absolutely > >>>>>> refuse to > >>>>>> > > escalate. Even if you tell them that you are essentially your > >>>>>> > > own > >>>>>> ISP. > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > So... where's the Netflix network engineer on the list who > >>>>>> > > all of > >>>>>> us can > >>>>>> > > send these issues to directly? > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > Matthew Kaufman > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > > >
