"What you are NOT allowed to do is impose new requirements on our Internet to support your business licensing models and make it our problem"
They're not imposing *new* regulation on *your* internet to support their business licensing models - they're imposing *existing* (and international) regulations on someone else's business that *existing* distributors provide controls for. And that many *existing* online distributors provide controls for - hence why they should be using the *most local* method of locating a person - ask for permission to get the location from their *device first* (as is possible nowadays), then try to get the location from any one of other fallback methods (namely, IP geolocation). On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 6:22 PM Naslund, Steve <snasl...@medline.com> wrote: > ISPs should not be in the business of helping distributors come up with > “novel ways” to help them regionalize. It’s counterproductive to the ISPs > main purpose which is to get their customers “the whole Internet”, from > anywhere to anywhere no matter where you are. > > As far as TV channels, that is an unrelated issue because they have their > own distribution network, they can freely choose what cable systems and > what satellite systems they want to license to. What you are NOT allowed > to do is impose new requirements on our Internet to support your business > licensing models and make it our problem. This is no different than > someone like Microsoft saying “hey service providers, we don’t want you to > carry any network traffic from illegal copies of Outlook” and expecting us > to figure it out. I know as service providers we have to be sensitive to > our customers but Netflix is also a service provider and should be taking > the heat from their own customers. Netflix authored a broken process and > now we should be expected to re-engineer the network to eliminate V6 tunnel > brokers?!?!?! I don’t think so Netflix. > > If I was still an ISP today, I would be sending all of my customers a memo > explaining how badly Netflix VPN detection works and why it is so hard for > us to help with it and why they should be complaining to Netflix. > > Steven Naslund > > From: Cryptographrix [mailto:cryptograph...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 5:06 PM > To: Naslund, Steve; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed > > There's really no point in whining about content providers and > regionalization as long as TV channels are still a thing. > > I get that the internet totally annihilated borders of all kind (including > the book store), but some businesses change slower than others, and content > production is still back in the black-and-white TV days because even new > content producers don't have that new of a business model. > > But nor are ISPs coming up with novel ways for distributors to offer more > reliable regionalization services (and most of them were in the content > regionalization business long before the Internet came around). > > Pick one of those two problems and make a business to solve them. > > Until then, Netflix's developers could at least use the "novel" solution > of tiering the most accurate forms of location before hitting IP > geolocation. > > > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:52 PM Naslund, Steve <snasl...@medline.com > <mailto:snasl...@medline.com>> wrote: > Actually it's time for Netflix to get out of the network transport > business and tell the content providers to get over it or not get carried > on Netflix. It used to be that Netflix needed content providers, now I am > starting to believe it might be the other way around. Netflix might have > to take a page from the satellite guys and start calling them out > publicly. i.e. "Netflix will no longer be able to provide you with Warner > Bros. content because they are dinosaurs that are worried that someone > might be watching in the wrong country. We are pleased to offer you > content from producers that are not complete morons...." > > As the content producers lose more and more control over the distribution > channel they are going to take whatever terms are necessary to get them on > Netflix, Apple TV, Comcast, Time Warner, DirecTV and Dish. If you are not > on any or all of those platforms, you are going to be dead meat. Who > would be hurt worse, Netflix or the movie producer that got seen nowhere on > their latest film. To me, this is the last gasp of an industry that lost > control of its distribution channel years ago and is still trying to impose > that control. > > Steven Naslund > > -----Original Message----- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>] > On Behalf Of Mark Andrews > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:28 PM > To: Laszlo Hanyecz > Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed > > > It's time for Netflix to offer IPv6 tunnels. That way they can correlate > IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. Longest match will result is the correct source > address being selected if they do the job correctly. > > -- > Mark Andrews, ISC > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org<mailto: > ma...@isc.org> >