Just because he choose poorly with his email provider doesn't mean he should be allowed to be exploited Mike, although a friendly ribbing is still justified IMO ;)
On Mar 20, 2017 9:27 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > He did mention Hotmail. > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > To: "Justin Wilson" <[email protected]> > Cc: "NANOG" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:06:00 AM > Subject: Re: Purchased IPv4 Woes > > Would you mind naming the company so that they can be publicly shamed? That > is nothing sort of extortion. > > On Mar 19, 2017 10:36 PM, "Justin Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Then you have the lists which want money to be removed. I have an IP that > > was blacklisted by hotmail. Just a single IP. I have gone through the > > procedures that are referenced in the return e-mails. No response. My > > next step says something about a $2500 fee to have it investigated. I > know > > several blacklists which are this way. Luckily, many admins do not use > > such lists. > > > > > > Justin Wilson > > [email protected] > > > > --- > > http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO > > xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth > > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman > > Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric > > > > > On Mar 12, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Bob Evans <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Pete's right about how IPs get put on the lists. In fact, let us not > > > forget that these lists were mostly created with volunteers - some > still > > > today. Many are very old lists. Enterprise networks select lists by > some > > > sort of popularity / fame - etc.. Like how they decide to install > 8.8.8.8 > > > as first - its easy and they think its better than their local ISP they > > > pay.... yet they always call the ISP about slowness when 8.8.8.8 is for > > > consumers and doesn't always resolve quickly. It's a tough sale. > > > > > > Once had a customer's employee abuse their mail server - it made some > > > lists. Customer complained our network is hosting spammers and sticking > > > them in the middle of a problem that is our networks. Hard win. Took us > > > months to get that IP off lists. That was one single IP. We did not > allow > > > them to renew their contract once the term was over. Now, they suffer > > with > > > comcast for business. ;-) > > > > > > Thank You > > > Bob Evans > > > CTO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sun, 12 Mar 2017, Pete Baldwin wrote: > > >> > > >>> So this is is really the question I had, and this is why I was > > >>> wanting to > > >>> start a dialog here, hoping that it wasn't out of line for the list. > I > > >>> don't > > >>> know of a way to let a bunch of operators know that they should > remove > > >>> something without using something like this mailing list. > > Blacklists > > >>> are > > >>> supposed to fill this role so that one operator doesn't have to try > and > > >>> contact thousands of other operators individually, he/she just has to > > >>> appeal > > >>> to the blacklist and once delisted all should be well in short order. > > >>> > > >>> In cases where companies have their own internal lists, or only > > >>> update > > >>> them a couple of times a year from the major lists, I don't know of > > >>> another > > >>> way to notify everyone. > > >> > > >> I suspect you'll find many of the private "blacklistings" are hand > > >> maintained (added to as needed, never removed from unless requested) > and > > >> you'll need to play whack-a-mole, reaching out to each network as you > > find > > >> they have the space blocked on their mail servers or null routed on > > their > > >> networks. I doubt your message here will be seen by many of the "right > > >> people." How many company mail server admins read NANOG? How many > > >> companies even do email in-house and have mail server admins anymore? > :) > > >> > > >> Back when my [at that time] employer was issued some of 69/8, I found > it > > >> useful to setup a host with IPs in 69/8 and in one of our older IP > > blocks, > > >> and then do both automated reachability testing and allow anyone to > do a > > >> traceroute from both source IPs simultaneously, keeping the results > in a > > >> DB. If you find there are many networks actually null routing your > > >> purchased space, you might setup something similar. > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > > >> Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route > > >> | therefore you are > > >> _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public > key_________ > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
