On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: > That project was paid for by ARRA funds and ran out. > > The FCC picked up the ball by expanding the scope of its 477 program. That > data is available directly on their site or via some sites like > broadbandnow.com
I didn't know about that - thanks. But it just confirms what I thought; my choices are comcast & verizon. There is another possibility, but $350/mo for 10Mb/s with a 24 month contract is too steep. > There are also many service providers available that aren't filing because > either A) they don't know about it or B) government stuff. > > My point was that consumers voted out thousands of independents by taking > service from incumbents instead of independents. Thousands have closed up > shop. Where independents are available, it's still tough getting customers > if the incumbents have a service that mostly works (over say 5 to 10 megs), > even if the independent offers service comparable to the incumbent's > advertisements. As a consumer, how much extra are you willing to pay for good service? Because I'm guessing that's about all a small independent can offer that's better than the local (mono|duo)poly. So while I think I get your point, I see it more as consumers voting with their wallets rather than voting out independents. Regards, Lee > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lee" <ler...@gmail.com> > To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 2:16:38 PM > Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network > > On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> It's a consumer thing. If consumers wanted more options, they would be >> supporting those options with their wallets. They don't. > > As far as I know, my options for >50Mb/s are comcast and verizon. > > https://www.broadbandmap.gov/ sez > Please note: National Broadband Map data is from June 30, 2014 and is > no longer being updated. > > How do I find out what my other options are? > > Thanks, > Lee > >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Max Tulyev" <max...@netassist.ua> >> To: nanog@nanog.org >> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:43:54 AM >> Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network >> >> So for my point of view, better solution is to push some law that ease >> access to the buildings for ISPs. >> >> 15.12.17 19:40, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu пише: >>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 07:47:42 -0500, Dovid Bender said: >>>> What kind of internet are these devices on? With Net Neutrality gone >>>> here >>>> >>>> in the US it would be a good way to measure certain services such as SIP >>>> >>>> to >>>> see which ISP's if any are tampering with packets. >>> >>> Given previous history, the answer will probably be "most of them". >>> >>> "The results are not inspiring. More than 129 million people are limited >>> >>> to a >>> single provider for broadband Internet access using the FCC definition of >>> >>> 25 >>> Mbps download and 3 Mbps upload. Out of those 129 million Americans, >>> about >>> 52 >>> million must obtain Internet access from a company that has violated >>> network >>> neutrality protections in the past and continues to undermine the policy >>> >>> today. >>> >>> In locations where subscribers have the benefit of limited competition, >>> the >>> situation isn't much better. Among the 146 million Americans with the >>> ability >>> to choose between two providers, 48 million Americans must choose between >>> >>> two >>> companies that have a record of violating network neutrality." >>> >>> https://muninetworks.org/content/177-million-americans-harmed-net-neutrality >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >