Hi Jayme,

As James pointed out, I did most of the refactoring. I can't recognize
the situation that you describe, either.

I've tested each change by doing automatic before/after comparisons of
archives generated. I used msi and msm task definitions from
NAntContribInstall.include and added test cases for those features that
were not used in those. I use the tasks myself.

I'm very interested in seeing some of the build scripts that don't work.
Although I haven't gotten a recent build either, I'm confident that we
can get you back on track without rolling back.

/Kræn

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> Behalf Of James Geurts
> Sent: 22. april 2004 18:04
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> Subject: [NAntC-Dev] Re: Rollback of refactored MSI/MSM tasks
> 
> 
> Hey Jayme,
> 
> A slight correction is needed.  Kraen did the majority of 
> refactoring for
> the tasks (sorry don't have his email address with me right 
> now).  Also,
> from what I've used/tested so far, the tasks have worked at 
> the same level
> that they were before.  Overall, the changes just removed a lot of
> repeditive code throughout the two tasks.
> 
> I haven't gotten a recent nightly build (I'm using one from 
> the middle of
> February, I think), but I'll try to help you guys through the 
> issues that
> you come up with.  I'd like to have more contributions to the 
> task base, if
> possible :)
> 
> A big change that was recently implemented, however, is how files are
> included in the components.  The filesets now act as the 
> typical fileset
> from NAnt, meaning you do not need to create a mock directory 
> structure
> anymore.
> 
> Also.. Mike, I am planning on working through your problem 
> tonight when I
> get home (around 6pm EST).   In the mean time, you might want 
> to have a look
> at the samples from the wiki:
> http://nant.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/samples%20for%20ins
> tall%20tasks
> I know those scripts have built and run properly with the 
> refactored tasks.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > We've been using the MSI/MSM tasks that were coded prior to Gert
> > Driesen's refactoring work for several product releases here at
> > Rockwell Software over the past couple years. When NAnt 8.4 was
> > released, some updating needed to be done to these tasks to 
> make them
> > work with some API changes in NAnt, and in that time Gert 
> took it upon
> > himself to do some reduction of lines of code in the tasks.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've had a developer here Mike Stephens evaluate the use of WiX
> > (Microsoft's XML scripting installation tool) when that snafu was
> > introduced to the fold, and he found that it's not going to meet our
> > needs. It doesn't have decent documentation, and doesn't support the
> > features the MSI/MSM tasks for NAnt include that we need.
> >
> >
> >
> > After reaching this conclusion, I asked Mike to get the latest
> > refactored MSI/MSM tasks and get those integrated into our build
> > scripts here that use NAnt 8.4. Mike found that the simplest MSI
> > install didn't work and contacted Gert to fix a bug. Since that time
> > we're running into bug after bug in the new refactored code.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am very concerned about how this refactored code has made its way
> > into the main NAntContrib branch without any formal testing 
> considering
> > the time already spent getting the pre-8.4 code to work, 
> and the impact
> > of this on other users of NAntContrib that are having problems using
> > the new versions. I don't feel very confident that the new code is
> > thoroughly tested, and though it compiles there are 
> numerous features
> > of the MSI/MSM tasks that don't appear to have even been 
> even exercised
> > prior to the checkin.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like to request that we do some work to update the 
> versions of
> > the MSI and MSM tasks based on code before Gert's 
> refactoring to work
> > with the current CVS build of NAnt (all we need to do is 
> update calls
> > that interface with the new NAnt and are affected by API 
> changes) and a
> > folder "Future" or something similar be created and the refactored
> > MSI/MSM tasks be moved here. Should a time come where the refactored
> > tasks are stable enough to do everything the old code did, we can
> > replace them. But I'm certain that as of now this isn't the case.
> >
> >
> >
> > If this cannot be done we will have to just use the older tasks here
> > and not be able to contribute back to Sourceforge, which is
> > unfortunate. But Jim Geurts and I spent a lot of time 
> using, fixing the
> > bugs for, and verifying the old versions of the tasks in 
> real product
> > builds here at Rockwell Software and exercised every function of the
> > tasks. Until I see a build that exhausts all the features 
> of the tasks
> > that can run using the new refactored versions, we can't use them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me know what you think we should do.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gert - I hope I'm not insulting you by what I'm saying in 
> this email I
> > know you did a lot of work to refactor the code we originally
> > contributed and I think you did a good design. But just as is with a
> > commercial software product that has customers, open source projects
> > that have been established for a while need to make sure we 
> don't upset
> > our user base that has been using these tasks and 
> contributing code to
> > them for a while now. If we want to continue using your refactored
> > tasks without rolling back to the new ones until your done, 
> your going
> > to have to move very quickly to test and verify that the 
> new code works
> > and make any bugfixes needed ASAP. If it takes several months to get
> > there when we already had code that worked before but 
> needed some minor
> > updates to be compatible with the new NAnt 8.4 API, that's
> > unacceptable.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jayme Edwards
> >
> > Product Architect
> >
> > Rockwell Software
> >
> > RSProduction Portal
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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