FYI, I filed it as an enhancement request so we don't lose track of it: 
https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8066773

On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Tim Fox <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 27/11/14 14:48, Attila Szegedi wrote:
>> So, some initial discussion of this with my team leads to following 
>> conclusions:
>> 
>> - We can't stop wrapping all objects in ScriptObjectMirror, as 
>> ScriptObjectMirror is a public class, and we allow people to expect it. If 
>> we now started returning ScriptObjectMirror sometimes and ArrayMirror 
>> (provisional name) other times, that'd be an API breaking change. That's 
>> sad, really – we should've probably never made ScriptObjectMirror public and 
>> instead forced people to only program against the JSObject interface instead.
>> 
>> - We've been thinking of creating a separate "class ArrayMirror implements 
>> JSObject, List<Object>" for wrapping JS Arrays, but you'd need to explicitly 
>> ask a mirror that'll return these transitively, e.g. we could give you a 
>> Java.toJSONCompatible(obj) API that you'd use as: 
>> "myObject.expectsJSON(Java.toJSONCompatible(someJson));" You'd still be 
>> getting a ScriptObjectMirror on the top level (as long as it ain't an array 
>> in which case the top level would itself be an ArrayMirror), but it'd be 
>> carrying a hidden flag that'd change its behavior so whenever you retrieve 
>> an Array from it, it gets wrapped into ArrayMirror and not 
>> ScriptObjectMirror. Also, if you retrieve an Object from it, you'd get a 
>> ScriptObjectMirror with this flag propagated, so Arrays at any nesting depth 
>> would always be exposed as Lists. Arguably, this could be the default 
>> behaviour except for the fact that it isn't how it worked since the initial 
>> 8 release and we can't break backwards compatibility…
>> 
>> How's that sound?
> 
> 
> Sounds good. Thanks for taking time to look at this :)
> 
>> 
>> Attila.
>> 
>> On Nov 27, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Attila Szegedi <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Also, the documentation for both List and Map interfaces prescribes an 
>>> exact algorithm[1][2] that every implementation of them must use to 
>>> calculate their hashCode(), and they too are incompatible. This is not as 
>>> insurmountable as a javac error, but still not a good idea to violate. 
>>> FWIW, having a separate ArrayMirror that implements only List<Object> might 
>>> still be workable.
>>> 
>>> Attila.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> [1] http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/List.html#hashCode--
>>> [2] http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/Map.html#hashCode--
>>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Attila Szegedi <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> [...]
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, we can't subclass ScriptObjectMirror to give you an 
>>>> ArrayMirror as no Java class can simultaneously implement both List and 
>>>> Map interfaces due to incompatibility in return types of "Object 
>>>> Map.remove(Object)" and "boolean List.remove(Object)" :-( Trust me, I was 
>>>> quite mad when I first realized this.
>>>> 
>>>> [...]
>>>> 
>>>> Attila.
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Tim Fox <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> As you know..
>>>>> 
>>>>> In JS, a JSON Object is represented by a JS object, and in the Java world 
>>>>> it's often represented by Map<String, Object>.
>>>>> In JS a JSON array is represented by a JS array, and in the Java world 
>>>>> it's often represented by a List<Object>.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd love to be able to pass JSON between JS and Java and vice versa with 
>>>>> the minimum of performance overhead. This is particularly important in 
>>>>> Vert.x as we chuck a lot of JSON around.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let's say I have a Java interface which expects some JSON:
>>>>> 
>>>>> interface SomeInterface {
>>>>> 
>>>>>  void expectsJSON(Map<String, Object> json);
>>>>> }
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right now I am converting from JS-->Java as follows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> var someJson = { foo: "bar"};
>>>>> String encoded = JSON.stringify(someJson);
>>>>> Map<String, Object> map = SomeJavaJSONLibrary.decode(encoded);
>>>>> myObject.expectsJSON(map);
>>>>> 
>>>>> As you can see it's pretty clunky. The other direction is equally as 
>>>>> clunky. And it's slow as we're encoding/decoding everything via String.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then I realised that if I pass a JS object directly into the expectsJSON 
>>>>> method Nashorn will provide me with a Map<String, Object> that backs the 
>>>>> original object. I.e. I can do this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> var someJson = { foo: "bar"};
>>>>> myObject.expectsJSON(map);
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yay! No encoding overhead. Fast. :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> And it works with nested json:
>>>>> 
>>>>> var someJson = { foo: "bar", nested: { wibble: "blah"}};
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just when I was getting my hopes up that this would be a great super fast 
>>>>> way of transferring JSON betwen Java and JS, I tried it with a nest array:
>>>>> 
>>>>> var someJson = { foo: "bar", nestedArray: [123, 456]};
>>>>> 
>>>>> But in Java, map.get("nestedArray") returns a ScriptObjectMirror not a 
>>>>> List as I was hoping. :(
>>>>> 
>>>>> So.. passing from JS to Java: JS Object maps to Map, but JS Array maps to 
>>>>> ScriptObjectMirror. (Seems a bit asymmetric?).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any reason why we can't map JS Array to Java list when calling JS->Java? 
>>>>> (Perhaps this is related to my previous question backing a JS Array with 
>>>>> a List...)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you have any other suggestions for transferring JSON between JS and 
>>>>> Java without too much encoding overhead?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks again!

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