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>From: "John Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Day 4 of Permanent Forum
>Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 03:55:25 PST
>
>Summary of Debate ­ United Nations Open-Ended, Intersessional, Ad Hoc 
>Working Group on a Permanent Forum for Indigenous Peoples, 18/2/99 (Day 
>4)
>(Note: this material is based on both taped transcription and real-time 
>notetaking, and does not perfectly or comprehensively reflect the 
>debates or responses.  It is a basic, quick draft whose purpose is to 
>emphasize prevalent trends in the proceedings.  Please direct any 
>questions, clarifications, omissions, or comments to John Stevens, 
>ACUNS/Native Americas magazine [for Netwarriors].  All errors are solely 
>mine.)
>
>
>Morning Session:
>
>       The day began with a formal announcement from the Chair that the 
>situation in Salle XVII with the Kurds had been solved, and that the new 
>building's facilities were open again.  The working group had been 
>offered another room, but the Chair had decided to keep the working 
>group in Salle XII to maintain the "congenial atmosphere" that had 
>prevailed thus far in proceedings.  He then turned to the day's work: 
>CRP4, a document that would become the Chair's part of the report, would 
>be ready for review after lunch, and the Chair hoped that an informal 
>drafting session could take place from 4-6PM.     If he felt that there 
>was sufficient consensus, he would extend the meeting into an "informal 
>informal" that would not have simultaneous interpretation.  There was 
>immediate resistance to this from several delegates, which became a 
>strenuous debate over the problem of translation.  The Chair soon cut 
>off the language debate, citing the great difficulty in getting 
>documents ready given the fact that the translation facilities had been 
>cut off for most of the week.
>
>       Discussion immediately shifted to another problem: Mexico and Argentina 
>both complained that there would not be time to critique CRPs 2 and 3.  
>Argentina in particular demanded that its views be "adequately" 
>reflected in the text.  The Chair replied that these papers were part of 
>his summary and his perspective, and that while he wanted to accurately 
>reflect the debate, it was in the end his perspective.  He would accept 
>critiques, but that was all.  He then begged the delegates to not get 
>into this debate, since it was taking away from the very tight work 
>schedule the group had.  Denmark attempted to get debate back on track , 
>but Brazil intervened and politely accused the chair of not being 
>transparent enough.  The Chair was so startled by this accusation that 
>he suspended the meeting to talk directly to complaining state 
>delegates.
>
>       About 15 minutes later the meeting recommenced.  The Chair carefully 
>reiterated that the CRPs were his summaries and his interpretation.  

>They would figure into the final report somehow, but just how was still 
>up in the air.  He realizes that some delegations thought he was moving 
>quickly, but that is "to have results."  He then asked that they turn to 
>the next part of the workplan, the "nameplates down" informal discussion 
>of technical matters of the PF and the question of its relation to the 
>WGIP.  The Secretariat was not taking formal note of this meeting, but 
>the Chair has asked those delegations who wished to file formal opinions 
>to do so in brief missives, no more than 5-10 lines.  Despite this, it 
>was obvious in the vast majority of interventions that state delegates 
>were still parroting their government's line, and only on a few 
>occasions did they add their own personal opinions.
>
>       Denmark opened the informal discussion by praising the Chair highly for 
>his work.  He then gave "his" position on the relevant matters (a 
>state-by-state breakdown will be transmitted soon to demonstrate each 
>govt's position in detail).  The most significant comment from Denmark 
>was on the WGIP: his position was that only the PF could determine the 
>future of the WGIP, and that to take any other position was premature.  
>Denmark also thought that a "review clause" that would assess the PF 
>after 5 years would also be useful.
>
>       Several other states endorsed Denmark's ideas, but with qualifications.  
>Chile emphasized that this was a "forum," and not some other kind of 
>body or organization. Mexico and Peru substantively agreed with Denmark.  
>Other states departed from Denmark's position more explicitly.  
>Switzerland, while sympathetic on other points, felt that the PF should 
>replace the WGIP.  Australia said that it could not decide on the PF 
>until a decision was made on the WGIP's dissolution, but that it favored 
>a "transitional" period for the WGIP.  Several states emphasized that 
>given tight budget constraints it was unrealistic to have both, and that 
>the WGIP might have to be sacrificed to open up funds for the PF.  The 
>US took this line of argument very strongly, to the point of saying that 
>the best option was to merely restructure the WGIP to include 
>development and related issues. Brazil and India also took this general 
>line of argument, and with minor qualification so did New Zealand, 
>Japan, the United Kingdom, and Venezuela.  Argentina agreed with both 
>Australia and the US, and furthermore suggested that indigenous 
>representatives be part of government delegations.  The main detractors 
>to this line of argument were Norway, who strongly supported Denmark, 
>and Canada, which seemed to waver in the middle by stating that the 
>WGIP's future should wait until the PF was formed, but that a 
>transitional period might be in order.
>
>       Indigenous delegates spent much of their speaking time refuting the 
>majority arguments.  Armand McKenzie of the Innu of Nitassinan pointed 
>out that Erica-Irene Daes has shown previously that indigenous peoples 
>comprised 5% of the world's population but only .01% of the UN's budget, 
>making the financial argument a hypocritical one.  He also asserted that 

>indigenous peoples needed all the forums they could get to address their 
>concerns, and that the proposal to phase out the WGIP was unacceptable.  
>Victoria Tauli-Corpus of the Cordillera (Philippines) asserted that this 
>problem could be solved if governments contributed more generously to 
>the voluntary funds established for indigenous peoples.  An indigenous 
>representative from Latin America pointed out that this "crisis" has 
>been created by these very governments, and that given the contributions 
>of indigenous peoples to these governments in the form of colonial 
>exploitation, it is up to the governments to give back to the indigenous 
>peoples they stole from in the first place.  Marceal Arias of the 
>Mapuche pointed out that arguments over financial reform should not be 
>used to block civil society's access to the UN.  All of these arguments 
>were echoed by a number of other indigenous speakers who tried to point 
>out the duplicity inherent in the line of reasoning that many 
>governments were using to in essence eliminate the WGIP or weaken the 
>PF.
>
>Afternoon Session:
>
>       This session started rather late, since the Chair had been in a 
>consultation with the states over lunch about CRPs 2 and 3 and the 
>newly-released CRP4, which was an amalgamation of previous CRPs into the 
>Chair's synthesis of the proceedings.  He again explained the rationale 
>behind this, and emphatically insisted that while these summaries would 
>be in the report they were not binding to any delegation, and that they 
>were "his responsibility" solely.  The summaries would be placed in the 
>report  in a way that future work was "only bound. . . to take it into 
>consideration.'  After reading out the annex heading and some text, a 
>break was called so that the indigenous caucus could meet over CRP4.  
>
>       When the meeting resumed, the Chair first apologized for some confusion 
>over CRP4, since there was a full version and a summary version and 
>there was some problem with different translations.  He then requested 
>responses to the summaries, but he reiterated that this was not a 
>drafting group.  He asked for proposals on the introduction, and then a 
>discussion paragraph-by-paragraph thereafter.
>
>       Kenneth Deer (Mohawk) opened with a statement from the indigenous 
>caucus on the heading of CRP4.  The indigenous caucus was surprised by 
>the negative phrasing used in the heading to describe the labors of the 
>working group, and understood that it had come from the “serious 
>pressure” the Chair was under by some delegations.  After some 
>discussion, the caucus came up with an alternate heading that they felt 
>reflected more positively on the week’s work.  He then read the new 
>text:
>
>"The working group reached broad agreement on the establishment of a PF.  
>Some governments were not in the position at this time to give approval 
>without certain reservations.  However, there is wide support for the 
>following proposals to serve as a basis for future work."
>
>Denmark immediately endorsed this rewording, and Canada, Norway, and 
>Russia all subsequently supported it as well.  Unfortunately, the 

>afternoon soon broke down into procedural wrangling and a number of 
>off-topic requests for “clarifications” on the document from governments 
>who felt that their positions were not adequately reflected in the 
>document.  Some states, particularly Australia, asked for a heading that 
>“provided more protection” for their positions.  India continuously 
>brought up minor procedural points and asked for re-readings and 
>clarifications on the debate and the purpose of the Chair’s summaries.  
>The US delegation stated that it would not support the new wording and 
>suggested that the Chair make it his own perspective. Eventually Brazil 
>and Argentina blocked further procedural wrangling on the heading, but 
>then India, the UK, and the US began stalling or going off-topic.  The 
>Chair attempted to keep open debate going to reach some sort of 
>consensus on the summaries so that they could be officially included in 
>the report, but it became very clear that some states were unsatisfied 
>with the summaries as part of the final report itself, and eventually 
>the Chair decided that further debate was useless and ruled that the 
>summaries would be put in an annex that was not an official part of the 
>report, thus making them his conclusions exclusively.  When several 
>states, including the US, then tried to continue nitpicking (in 
>particular, the US blocked an attempt at compromise by Norway and 
>demanded that the Chair drop the “s” from “indigenous peoples” 
>throughout), the Chair suspended the meeting in utter frustration.
>.
>
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