When using nautilus, If you connect an idevice  ( iphone,  ipad, etc )
and then right click the idevice icon in the side bar
there is no property menu item displayed for the idevice.  

This is what the nautilus-ideviceinfo-extension uses to be able to
display the properties of a connected
idevice. 

The idevice icon  is using the gphoto2:// backend to display the photo
folder on the idevice.

The other icon displayed for a iphone as "Documents on iphone name"
will display the 
user installed applications document folder on the idevice.

This is inconsistent with other usb connected items such as usb stick
or usb connected
hard-drive icon which do have a properties menu item if you right
click on them.

The attachment on gnome-bug 741302 clearly shows the old and new
menu's to
access item property dialogs.

Regards
Timothy Ward





On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 15:54 -0400, Carlos Soriano wrote:
> > Sorry, I don't understand what the issue is. I see properties item
for the devices I have.
> So I do not know what we are supposed to do.
> 
> Best regards,
> Carlos Soriano
> 
> 
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: nautilus gvfs-afc property page info
> > Local Time: October 10, 2016 7:19 PM
> > UTC Time: October 10, 2016 5:19 PM
> > From: gtwa...@gmail.com
> > > > To: Carlos Soriano <csori...@protonmail.com>
> > nautilus-list@gnome.org
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Just clarifying what you mean by upstream.
> > 
> > > > Would it be possible to add this RFE to nautilus as I opened a bug
against gvfs-afc
> > > > which was closed with a link on the original bug in gnome. - and
the words
> > Nothing to do with gvfs itself.
> > 
> > 
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741302
> > 
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771967
> > 
> > Regards
> > Timothy Ward
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2016-09-26 at 01:40 +1000, Timothy Ward wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > Sorry for any confusion the cross post came from
> > > 
> > > > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedora
project.org/thread/SQCBUTTROOM6GRX3MUZZN3WKZSP42K3E/
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > My thoughts are that the functionally should be available to 
> > > > > > > > > be
able development of sync of contacts, notes, photos, calender
 and meeting info etc
> > > > > > > > > which is clearly lacking between any linux device and an
idevices, That which is considered the IP or copyright of the
idevice owner or is considered
> > > in the public domain.
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > But should not extend to the music database or any other area
that may infringe the commercial or legal writes of the
manufacturer of the idevice
> > > > > > or developers of any software on the idevice or any non idevice
owners copyrighted material  in any form whatsoever.
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately when you open the door it could be extended to
area's above, so even having the support optional when we are
dealing with
> > > > > > floss software with released source code may be impossible to
actually stop.
> > > 
> > > > > > I am not aware of any restriction but the post on fedora devel
mailing list may reveal something in that regard.
> > > 
> > > > > > I hope that a path can be found to allow integration for the
above which in my opinion is overdue for the linux device.
> > > 
> > > Best Regards
> > > 
> > > Timothy Ward
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, 2016-09-25 at 10:15 -0400, Carlos Soriano wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > The email without context was hard to follow. Would be nice to
have some explanation what is the email about for next time :)
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the properties in the sidebar, no idea why we
decided to not show it. To me it makes sense to show that in
every entry in the sidebar (except Other Locations).
> > > > > > > > Also, this should go directly into gvfs or so and I think some
part of the UI integrated in Nautilus would be cool too.
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > Any reason to not do that upstream? We can make the support
optional if there are legal issues for some distributions.
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Carlos Soriano
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > Subject: nautilus gvfs-afc property page info
> > > > > Local Time: September 25, 2016 3:38 PM
> > > > > UTC Time: September 25, 2016 1:38 PM
> > > > > From: gtwa...@gmail.com
> > > > > To: nautilus-list@gnome.org
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Posted from a thread on fedora develop list as info for
nautilus
> > > > > maintainers and developers.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Yup. The "normal" mount contains nothing that normal users
should
> > > > > access.
> > > > > > > > > > > Accessing the photos will leave ghosts on the device, and
there have
> > > > > been no
> > > > > > > > > > > ways to update the music database in Linux for a few iOS
releases.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I very much doubt that anyone would release any code to
touch an
> > > > > idevice music database due to fear of
> > > > > legal action from the manufacturer. It may exist already.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The ability to sync contacts, calendars and events, meeting
info,
> > > > > > > > > > notes, pictures etc ( anything that would be considered the
personal
> > > > > > > > > > data entered by the idevice owner is another matter
entirely. Anything
> > > > > > > > > > that the law provides in most countries such as the IP to
that person
> > > > > > > > > > or the copyright of documents or photos etc, and yes it can
be a very
> > > > > > > > > > grey area between the laws in different countries. This is
just the
> > > > > > > > > > other side of the coin but this time from the owners
perspective and
> > > > > legal rights.
> > > > > 
> > > > > is 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > You can still access the device by editing the URL in the
"Documents
> > > > > on..."
> > > > > > location. Just remove the ":3" at the end.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for this info,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > If you have use cases that aren't the 2 mentioned above,
or using
> > > > > your iDevice
> > > > > > > > > > > as a thumb drive, please file bugs against gvfs in the
upstream
> > > > > GNOME Bugzilla.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > While I agree for the normal non developer user, the
removal, to be
> > > > > > > > > > able to access what you could originally access, on the
idevice before
> > > > > the code change, may be of little value.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > It is frustrating if you are developing applications and
need access
> > > > > > > > > > to these areas for debugging, checking directory, files and
structure
> > > > > etc of the idevice. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > It is even more frustrating when the Fedora workstation is
being
> > > > > targetted as a developer's platform, and it also affects any
> > > > > downstream distribution developers in the same way.
> > > > > 
> > > > > While nautilus still exposes the pictures on an idevice
> > > > > through  gphoto2 system does not seem to have changed. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > As far as I am aware it is possible to copy pictures from
the idevice
> > > > > > > > > > but transfers of pictures to the idevice will succeed, but
will not be
> > > > > shown on the idevice by native apps without further hacking.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The other mount exposes the so called document folder of
some user
> > > > > > > > > > installed apps on the idevice and may be useful for someone
developing
> > > > > > > > > > but is off limited use to a normal non developer user,
unless the
> > > > > > > > > > normal non developer wants to use the phone as a usb drive
to
> > > > > transport files without carrying an extra usb drive.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The removal of the nautilus properties page on a connected
idevice
> > > > > > > > > > does have an effect that a nautilus-ideviceinfo extension
that has
> > > > > > > > > > been in gnome git for many years cannot be easily exposed
and used and
> > > > > > > > > > a gnome bugzilla entry has been active from last year
without even a
> > > > > comment to date. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741302
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus-ideviceinfo/log/?ofs=1
00
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > http://blog.sukimashita.com/2015/01/09/gtk-3-support-for-nau
tilus-idev
> > > > > iceinfo/
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I hope this can  be resolved in the short term as it
provides all
> > > > > > > > > > users of idevices with info that is expected today and
further
> > > > > > > > > > benefits the foss community and the goals of Fedora, Gnome
and
> > > > > downstream distributions etc.
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > 
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