-----Original Message----- From: Pappystein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Ter�a-feira, 21 de Dezembro de 1999 21:59 Subject: SSK Submarines... Was RE: Odp: Indian Navy News & Pirates > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> Jens Meyer >> Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 8:56 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: Odp: Indian Navy News & Pirates >> >> >> >> At 04:01 AM 12/18/99 +0100, you wrote: >> >> >Od: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Temat: Indian Navy News & Pirates >> > >> > >> > >Anyone know if the Indians actually know how to use their submarines? >> > >> >I'd rather say - YES. They know their equipment and the know WHERE to >> >use >> >them. Kilos (of all projects) are now the best conventionally powered >> >subs >> >in the world, not only mention "largest". Just take a look at the >> >"authonomy" - over 40 days of operations. If i could choose, i'll take >> >Kilos >> >for blue water and 209/1200 for brown water. >> >Cheers >> >Jarek Zgoda >> >> Jarek: >> I have to disagree on your 209 classification. The 209 is a later model >> than the 206/206A which I served on. The 206 have an operational seatime >> of >> 42 days without replenishment with food/water the limiting factors since >> they cannot produce fresh water by themself. Thus, the Kilos don't have >> an >> advantage with regards to "autonomy". Also, the 209 are definitely >> blue-water capable. Although 206/206A/209 are all designed for >> brown-water >> areas, they all hold well in blue-water scenarios. 209s are delivered >> from >> the German shipyards to their respective countries by sea with their own >> crew (no shipyard crew). That's from Germany all the way to Korea, for >> example. Also, we did a lot of training in the North Atlantic, some of >> the >> boats even participated in exercises in the Caribbean. Thus, don't >> underestimate the 209 and always be agraind of diesel subs. ;-) >> >> Jens >> > > >Lets not forget the Dutch Walrus/Zarawadass (SP) classes. The Similar >ROChina Hai Lung, the RN soon to be RCN Upholders and the US Barbels. >All >of these (only the US Barbles and possibly the Dutch Zarawadass' are not >in >Service or easy to bring back to service) are boats as large or larger >than >a Kilo... And all are of better performance overall (better sensors >weapons >suites etc. If I could choose any of the above mentioned Subs I would >probably go with the Walrus class... Then the Kilo then the Barbles. > >Another fact is the Type 206As were reacently (two years max) here in >the >United States... Not bad for a "Costal" Submarine. The German Subs are >all >marvels of engineering for their time. And the Type 209 has so many >variants as to concider it optimised for both Brown Water AND Blue Water >opperations. > >===================================================== >Craig Paffhausen >Fleet Ops XO >The Gamers Net - Gaming for Gamers >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Web Site: http://www.thegamers.net >The Gamers League: http://www.thegamersleague.net >iEN Central: http://www.iencentral.com >Tel (718)227-0518 >Mail: The Gamers Net >3835 Richmond Avenue Suite 192 >Staten Island, New York 10312 > > - Affiliate Member of the iEntertainment Network > > ============================================== Lista naval Para sair desta lista mande mensagem para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sem nada no Subject e com o comando a seguir no corpo da msg: "unsubscribe naval" (sem aspas) ==============================================
