Dear Petryk,
> On 27 Oct 2022, at 20:29, Petryk Pyatochkin via ncc-services-wg > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sergey, > >> On 27 Oct 2022, at 18:13, Sergey Myasoedov via ncc-services-wg >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Viktoriia, >> >>> We have to re-build telecom and internet infrastructure, and yes, we could >>> bring new equipment there, but if the IP addresses of local Internet >>> Providers will be transferred to other parties, we will not be able to >>> restore even our critical infrastructure there, and there is no place to >>> get new IPv4 addresses. >> >> You don't need IPv4 addresses for rebuilding IT infrastructure. There are >> lot of equipment supplied with Keep Ukraine Connected project, the equipment >> list is public and I'm pretty sure all of this equipment support IPv6. > > If that would be possible, we would not have this discussion at all, and the > transfer of resources would not exist as such. Everybody would just get a > fresh block of IPv6 addresses and we would forget about IPv4. > > And I'm pretty sure you know that, so let's not diverge the discussion. As far as I understand you mean that IPv6 implementation not depend on operators equipment, but depend on end users CPE? > > Cheers, > Petryk Pyatochkin > > > >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, >> Sergey Myasoedov >> >> >> >> >>> On 27. 10. 2022, at 17:44, Viktoriia Opanasiuk >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Mattias, >>> >>> responding on «As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be significant >>> participation by non-LIRs» I must say that it affects all internet service >>> providers that use IP resources. In Ukraine there are more than 5 000 >>> registered ISPs, but not all of them are LIRs. >>> >>> The situation that we have now is that when russian troops withdraw from >>> our territory, they dismantle and take with them not only washing machines, >>> but also telecom equipment, TV- and radio-transmitters, leaving people who >>> live there without any information channels and means of communication. We >>> have to re-build telecom and internet infrastructure, and yes, we could >>> bring new equipment there, but if the IP addresses of local Internet >>> Providers will be transferred to other parties, we will not be able to >>> restore even our critical infrastructure there, and there is no place to >>> get new IPv4 addresses. >>> >>> Therefore any solutions that involve allowing transfers now and somehow >>> reverting them later are not solving this immediate problem that we have. >>> >>> >>> Viktoriia Opanasiuk >>> >>> чт, 27 окт. 2022 г. в 16:59, Matthias Merkel <[email protected]>: >>> Hi Viktoriia, >>> >>> >>> >>> RIPE operates on consensus policies. A new policy cannot be adopted if >>> there is a meaningful number of objections like clearly there is here. >>> >>> >>> >>> As has been explained in the in-person meetings, a freeze cannot be >>> implemented until a corresponding policy is in place, as this may otherwise >>> open up the RIPE NCC to civil liability. Of course, there is also a risk >>> that a freeze could negatively impact Ukrainian LIRs (for example ones who >>> may want to sell parts of their IP space to fund continued operations). >>> >>> >>> >>> For the reasons above, I personally don’t think that a blanket ban will be >>> a good solution. Instead, the RIPE NCC should conduct increased due >>> diligence on transfers from Ukraine and other high-risk regions. From what >>> I understand, the NCC has already implemented these measures. >>> >>> >>> >>> Most of the recent emails have already identified themselves as Ukrainian, >>> some including a reg-id or at least mentioning they were an LIR as well. As >>> this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be significant participation by >>> non-LIRs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Matthias Merkel >>> >>> Staclar, Inc. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: ncc-services-wg <[email protected]> on behalf of >>> Viktoriia Opanasiuk <[email protected]> >>> Date: Thursday, 27. October 2022 at 15:51 >>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [ncc-services-wg] IP adress transferring in Ukraine >>> >>> Hi everyone! >>> >>> >>> >>> Looking at such a broad discussion around the issue of the decision to >>> protect Ukrainian IP resources, I want to add a comment and a wish. >>> >>> >>> >>> First of all, I would like to clarify the issue a little. We are only >>> talking about temporarily freezing the transfer of IP addresses until a >>> solution to correctly identify and prohibit risky transfers is found and >>> implemented. >>> >>> And in order to understand who exactly is against the temporary freeze or >>> who supports it , it would be very good if you wrote a few words about who >>> exactly those who express their position represent. >>> For example, does the company have LIR status, is the company an ISP >>> provider, and if so, in which regions of Ukraine does it provide services. >>> If the LIR is not a ISP provider, does it continue its work in Ukraine? >>> This is purely to understand whether the position of the participant in the >>> discussion is from a representative of the Ukrainian community and what >>> part of this community he represents. >>> >>> >>> Otherwise, this discussion may slightly distort the real problems that >>> exist in Ukraine today. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Viktoriia Opanasiuk >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> З повагою, >>> Вікторія Опанасюк >>> -- >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change >>> your subscription options, please visit: >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg >> >> >> -- >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change >> your subscription options, please visit: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg — Serg Galat -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg
