Hello, so, as I understood, all this should be resolved by 31 december 2022? And my "stuck" transfers should be ok? I don't want any blocks or bans for my resources etc.
Thanks. On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:56 PM Serhii Khomenko <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello to everyone, > > Let me clarify my point of view. > As we have already found out — the russians are the only ones who can > steal Internet resources from Ukrainian companies. > > !! The only correct solution is to block RU from all opportunities in both > ways: to receive and to offer Internet resources. !! > > It can be a temporary solution - until the end of the war and the complete > withdrawal of all russians from Ukrainian territories, including Crimea, > Donetsk and Luhansk regions. And don't say that it's not possible - RIPE > has already made such restrictions for the whole country - Ukraine. > What is the problem? Against Ukraine, RIPE NCC were not so afraid to act > decisively and impose restrictions. > > > Stop transfer from UA to RU LIRs? Ok, but such transfers usual not to RU > LIRs. > > Do you mean that russians can steal resources by transferring them not to > russian companies, but to European ones? Do you have such evidences that > European companies are helping the criminal activities of russians? > > > Okay, but what territory of the UA at the time of confirmation is under > occupation? And how RIPE NCC know it's surely? > > Interesting things. Since 2014 russians occupied a huge part of Ukraine > (Crimea, parts of Luhansk and Donetsk reg.) but RIPE didn't try to protect > companies on occupied territories for more than 8 years. > > But now RIPE NCC would like to maniacally protect Ukrainian companies by > blocking all transfers for all Ukraine. "I will kill you but protect you" — > once again, thank you RIPE NCC very much for such "support" and > "protection". > > Kind regards, > Serhii > > >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 01:19:40 +0200 >> From: Serg Galat <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue >> 20 >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Dear colleague, >> >> To my mind you don't see the latest RIPE event. >> Or didn't look carefully. >> >> I'm fully agree with point 1 of your speech. >> That is, there is a problem. But there's no solution, or a legitimate >> solution. >> >> Stop transfer from UA to RU LIRs? Ok, but such transfers usual not to RU >> LIRs. >> Accept transfers from UA to UA? Okay, but what territory of the UA at the >> time of confirmation is under occupation? And how RIPE NCC know it's surely? >> >> And RIPE NCC is not blocking transfers by himself. The part of ua LIRs >> ask NCC to do that. Temporarily. >> Until this working group adopts the necessary changes to the relevant >> polices. >> >> So no cynicism and naivety. Or something similar. That's if it's fair. >> >> >> >> > On 19 Dec 2022, at 23:09, Serhii Khomenko <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > I still will not get tired of being surprised at how naive people who >> live in civilized European countries. Although, maybe it's just a cynicism. >> > >> > 1. The only reason why we are discussing this topic (limiting the >> rights of Ukrainian companies) is the aggression of the russians. They are >> the only ones who can steal blocks of addresses in Ukraine, threatening the >> holders of Internet resources with death. >> > Instead of punishing the aggressor, you implement restrictions on the >> victim of aggression. >> > -- I assume that this is cynicism. >> > >> > 2. If you did not know, notary services are not for free. We are all >> Ukrainians now actively sponsoring the Armed Forces of Ukraine who are the >> only guarantor of the security of our companies. And instead of sending >> funds to strengthen the defense of Ukraine, you want to implement on us the >> obligation to pay an additional fees for the notary services. Thank you so >> much for your "support". >> > >> > -- >> > >> > 3. As we have already determined, the only reason for your concern and >> maniacal desire to violently protect the resources of Ukrainian companies >> is russians. >> > >> > Also, everyone knows that hundreds of thousands of russists came not >> only to Ukraine, but also to dozens of countries of the European Union. And >> they can do whatever they want on the territory of the EU: the Skripal >> case, the Litvinenko case etc. The only difference is that Ukrainians have >> learned how to mix them with the soil. European countries do not know how >> to do this. So your companies are more vulnerable to the russians. Why >> don't you change the RIPE policy to limit the rights for companies >> throughout the territory of RIPE? Why don't you want to oblige European >> companies to pay for notary services during transfers as well or stop any >> transfers through all the RIPE countries at all? >> > >> > -- Cynicism? Yes cynicism. >> > >> > 4. Why don't you want to implement a single effective way to protect >> all companies within the RIPE ?- blocking all transfers to a single >> criminal -- the russians??? And it will not be necessary to impose >> restrictions of the rights and freedoms for the European companies. >> > But you won't do that - too much money comes from russists to RIPE, and >> everyone knows it. >> > >> > - You know nothing about European values, unless these values are >> refined mercantile cynicism. >> > >> > >> > IMPLEMENT YOUR RESTRICTIONS FOR russia NOT FOR UKRAINE!! >> > Or implement the same new policy for the whole RIPE region otherwise it >> will be discrimination of Ukraine based on national origin. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > Serhii >> > >> >> -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > -- С уважением, Артем КСТ
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