+1 from me also. Dave Orme On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: On the state and future of Nebula - Part 1 > (Christopher J Gross) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:22:14 +0530 > From: Moor Su <[email protected]> > Subject: [nebula-dev] Nebula Binaries > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > I have noticed that the nebula binary downloads are not available on the > eclipse's > nebula home page. > > Can I build the jar files from the sources available from > http://www.eclipse.org/nebula/source.php and use it in commercial > applications?. > > Or is there any tentative date available for the official release? > > -Thank you very much! > MS. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/private/nebula-dev/attachments/20090415/eedfbee8/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:19:00 +0200 > From: Tom Schindl <[email protected]> > Subject: [nebula-dev] On the state and future of Nebula - Part 1 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > Hi Nebula-Community, > > This is a multi series on my view of the state and future of Nebula > which has the target get us out of the nebula. > > Part 1: The mission statement and its consequences > -------------------------------------------------- > I just replied to a newsgroup thread which asks whether the Nebula-Grid > will get part of SWT one day and hence out of Alpha/Beta state. > > While answering the question I some things got to my mind. I would like > to rephrase them here and ask for your comments. > > The first thing that I realized is that our main problem in the past was > and still is our mission statement. > > "The Nebula project is a source for custom SWT widgets and other UI > components. Nebula is also an incubator for SWT. Some Nebula widgets > will graduate into SWT and therefore into the main Eclipse Platform." > > Though this statement may not sound new to you I think many of our > problems stem from it. > > a) It makes Nebula look like a playground for big boys and girls for the > outside user > > b) It doesn't reflect reality because our controls will never get part > of SWT because the main purpose of SWT is to work with widget > provided by the Native Platforms > > c) It makes us Nebula-Developers unconsciously work as we are not > working towards a stable widget (even if it means to hold of new > features until we have a release) > > So the first thing we need to fix is our mission statement. What to you > guys think about the following mission statement: > > "Nebula is a place where different Eclipse-Projects and Independent > developers collaborate on building Custom SWT widgets and reuseable > UI-Components useable in UI-Applications built using SWT." > > Some of the latest additions we added to Nebula (e.g. XViewer) fall > directly into this category of reusable UI-Components. The above is a > first try to cover the new scope and mission of our Nebula-Project! > > Naturally I'd like to get response on the statement and your idea of the > mission of Nebula so that we come up with a mission statement within the > next say 2 weeks. > > Thanks > > Tom > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:56:13 -0400 > From: Steve Northover <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] On the state and future of Nebula - Part 1 > To: Nebula Dev <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < > of39ebdad7.db8a249b-on85257599.0077ac38-85257599.00786...@ca.ibm.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I think this is a much better statement and fully support changing the > mandate. > > When Nebula was started, the hope was to graduate widgets, but the reality > was that this didn't happen. Part of this was due to the native widget > mandate, part was due to lack of time and resources, part due to the goal > of keeping the toolkit small, etc. I think we started out with good > intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. > > > > > Tom Schindl <[email protected]> > Sent by: [email protected] > 04/15/2009 03:19 PM > Please respond to > Nebula Dev <[email protected]> > > > To > [email protected] > cc > > Subject > [nebula-dev] On the state and future of Nebula - Part 1 > > > > > > > Hi Nebula-Community, > > This is a multi series on my view of the state and future of Nebula > which has the target get us out of the nebula. > > Part 1: The mission statement and its consequences > -------------------------------------------------- > I just replied to a newsgroup thread which asks whether the Nebula-Grid > will get part of SWT one day and hence out of Alpha/Beta state. > > While answering the question I some things got to my mind. I would like > to rephrase them here and ask for your comments. > > The first thing that I realized is that our main problem in the past was > and still is our mission statement. > > "The Nebula project is a source for custom SWT widgets and other UI > components. Nebula is also an incubator for SWT. Some Nebula widgets > will graduate into SWT and therefore into the main Eclipse Platform." > > Though this statement may not sound new to you I think many of our > problems stem from it. > > a) It makes Nebula look like a playground for big boys and girls for the > outside user > > b) It doesn't reflect reality because our controls will never get part > of SWT because the main purpose of SWT is to work with widget > provided by the Native Platforms > > c) It makes us Nebula-Developers unconsciously work as we are not > working towards a stable widget (even if it means to hold of new > features until we have a release) > > So the first thing we need to fix is our mission statement. What to you > guys think about the following mission statement: > > "Nebula is a place where different Eclipse-Projects and Independent > developers collaborate on building Custom SWT widgets and reuseable > UI-Components useable in UI-Applications built using SWT." > > Some of the latest additions we added to Nebula (e.g. XViewer) fall > directly into this category of reusable UI-Components. The above is a > first try to cover the new scope and mission of our Nebula-Project! > > Naturally I'd like to get response on the statement and your idea of the > mission of Nebula so that we come up with a mission statement within the > next say 2 weeks. > > Thanks > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/private/nebula-dev/attachments/20090415/795f49f1/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:56:52 -0400 > From: Wayne Beaton <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] On the state and future of Nebula - Part 1 > To: Nebula Dev <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > +1 > > I think Nebula can stand on its own. > > Wayne > > > > Tom Schindl <[email protected]> > > Sent by: [email protected] > > 04/15/2009 03:19 PM > > Please respond to > > Nebula Dev <[email protected]> > > > > > > To > > [email protected] > > cc > > > > Subject > > [nebula-dev] On the state and future of Nebula - Part 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nebula-Community, > > > > This is a multi series on my view of the state and future of Nebula > > which has the target get us out of the nebula. > > > > Part 1: The mission statement and its consequences > > -------------------------------------------------- > > I just replied to a newsgroup thread which asks whether the Nebula-Grid > > will get part of SWT one day and hence out of Alpha/Beta state. > > > > While answering the question I some things got to my mind. I would like > > to rephrase them here and ask for your comments. > > > > The first thing that I realized is that our main problem in the past was > > and still is our mission statement. > > > > "The Nebula project is a source for custom SWT widgets and other UI > > components. Nebula is also an incubator for SWT. Some Nebula widgets > > will graduate into SWT and therefore into the main Eclipse Platform." > > > > Though this statement may not sound new to you I think many of our > > problems stem from it. > > > > a) It makes Nebula look like a playground for big boys and girls for the > > outside user > > > > b) It doesn't reflect reality because our controls will never get part > > of SWT because the main purpose of SWT is to work with widget > > provided by the Native Platforms > > > > c) It makes us Nebula-Developers unconsciously work as we are not > > working towards a stable widget (even if it means to hold of new > > features until we have a release) > > > > So the first thing we need to fix is our mission statement. What to you > > guys think about the following mission statement: > > > > "Nebula is a place where different Eclipse-Projects and Independent > > developers collaborate on building Custom SWT widgets and reuseable > > UI-Components useable in UI-Applications built using SWT." > > > > Some of the latest additions we added to Nebula (e.g. XViewer) fall > > directly into this category of reusable UI-Components. The above is a > > first try to cover the new scope and mission of our Nebula-Project! > > > > Naturally I'd like to get response on the statement and your idea of the > > mission of Nebula so that we come up with a mission statement within the > > next say 2 weeks. > > > > Thanks > > > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > > nebula-dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nebula-dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:07:06 +0200 > From: Tom Schindl <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Nebula Binaries > To: Nebula Dev <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The statement does not reflect the current state because we have a build > for some of our widgets since about 2 weeks. > > http://www.eclipse.org/nebula/downloads.php > > Naturally you can use our code in commercial applications (as long as > you follow the EPL rules) but because we are currently in parallel IP > and don't provide a release there's the *unlikely* possibility that code > parts violate IP. > > There's no release date defined yet but it's part of the on going Nebula > restructuring. > > Tom > > Moor Su schrieb: > > Hi, > > > > I have noticed that the nebula binary downloads are not available on the > > eclipse's > > nebula home page. > > > > Can I build the jar files from the sources available from > > http://www.eclipse.org/nebula/source.php and use it in commercial > > applications?. > > > > Or is there any tentative date available for the official release? > > > > -Thank you very much! > > MS. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nebula-dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:18:06 -0400 > From: Christopher J Gross <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] On the state and future of Nebula - Part 1 > To: Nebula Dev <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < > ofed25d4cf.e9bf5d58-on85257599.007f8e59-85257599.00800...@us.ibm.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > +1 from me as well. > > I had hoped at the beginning that Grid could eventually find its way into > SWT but I never got it to the point where I felt it was ready. There were > always things to do (like fix the tree api, really implement SWT.VIRTUAL). > And in the end its probably more appropriate that there's a core toolkit > and an a-la-carte extras project. > > I think the new mission statement below is a good one. (Again) Kudos to > you Tom for taking the reigns of Nebula and moving it forward. My time to > focus on Nebula will continue to be minimal and I'm glad to see its in > good hands. > > regards, > -Chris > > > > From: > Steve Northover <[email protected]> > To: > Nebula Dev <[email protected]> > Date: > 04/15/2009 05:55 PM > Subject: > Re: [nebula-dev] On the state and future of Nebula - Part 1 > > > > I think this is a much better statement and fully support changing the > mandate. > > When Nebula was started, the hope was to graduate widgets, but the reality > was that this didn't happen. Part of this was due to the native widget > mandate, part was due to lack of time and resources, part due to the goal > of keeping the toolkit small, etc. I think we started out with good > intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. > > > > Tom Schindl <[email protected]> > Sent by: [email protected] > 04/15/2009 03:19 PM > > Please respond to > Nebula Dev <[email protected]> > > > To > [email protected] > cc > > Subject > [nebula-dev] On the state and future of Nebula - Part 1 > > > > > > > > > Hi Nebula-Community, > > This is a multi series on my view of the state and future of Nebula > which has the target get us out of the nebula. > > Part 1: The mission statement and its consequences > -------------------------------------------------- > I just replied to a newsgroup thread which asks whether the Nebula-Grid > will get part of SWT one day and hence out of Alpha/Beta state. > > While answering the question I some things got to my mind. I would like > to rephrase them here and ask for your comments. > > The first thing that I realized is that our main problem in the past was > and still is our mission statement. > > "The Nebula project is a source for custom SWT widgets and other UI > components. Nebula is also an incubator for SWT. Some Nebula widgets > will graduate into SWT and therefore into the main Eclipse Platform." > > Though this statement may not sound new to you I think many of our > problems stem from it. > > a) It makes Nebula look like a playground for big boys and girls for the > outside user > > b) It doesn't reflect reality because our controls will never get part > of SWT because the main purpose of SWT is to work with widget > provided by the Native Platforms > > c) It makes us Nebula-Developers unconsciously work as we are not > working towards a stable widget (even if it means to hold of new > features until we have a release) > > So the first thing we need to fix is our mission statement. What to you > guys think about the following mission statement: > > "Nebula is a place where different Eclipse-Projects and Independent > developers collaborate on building Custom SWT widgets and reuseable > UI-Components useable in UI-Applications built using SWT." > > Some of the latest additions we added to Nebula (e.g. XViewer) fall > directly into this category of reusable UI-Components. The above is a > first try to cover the new scope and mission of our Nebula-Project! > > Naturally I'd like to get response on the statement and your idea of the > mission of Nebula so that we come up with a mission statement within the > next say 2 weeks. > > Thanks > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/private/nebula-dev/attachments/20090415/916a1e7c/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nebula-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > > End of nebula-dev Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4 > ***************************************** >
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