David,  How come you never answer any of my questions about the 
rubidium oscillator?   I have asked you about it many, many times and have never

        received any response from you.    -Chuck
         

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        From: "David Forbes" <[email protected]>
        Sent: 4/10/2021 3:59:19 PM
        To: "NeoNixie" <[email protected]>
        Subject: X-IMail-SPAM-Connection Re: [neonixie-l] OT: How to convert 
composite video into TTL?
         

        I built a couple LED TV sets about ten years ago. I had to solve this 
problem. I bought a sync separator chip for the first one, and a digitizer chip 
for the other.
        
                See the bottom of the page for schematics.
        
                http://www.cathodecorner.com/satanvision/
        
                 
        
                 



        
                On Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 6:04 AM jb-electronics 
<[email protected]> wrote:
        
                
                        
                                Thank you! I did some more digging and found 
the service manual for the display (Panasonic TR-60S1A, see here: 
https://www.opweb.de/english/company/Panasonic/TR-60S1A)
                        
                                 
                        
                                There is is a timing chart (see below). It 
looks an awful lot alike NTSC to me, can somebody confirm?
                        
                                 
                        
                                Best wishes
                        
                                Jens
                        
                                 
                        
                                
                        
                                 
                        
                                 
                        
                                 
                        
                                On 2021-04-10 12:28 a.m., Adrian Godwin wrote:
                        
                                
                                        It's easy enough to extract the sync 
signals, as you've seen. It may not be particularly difficult to modify the TTL 
input to analog, or to create a TTL level signal if you don't need a 
grey-scale.  On many general-purpose monitors like that they could often be 
built for either standard - the microvitec Cub  popular with the BBC 
Microcomputer had that option.
                                        
                                                 
                                        
                                                But the critical thing is that 
it runs at the right speed. CRT circuits are built around the line oscillator 
which generates the horizontal scan AND the EHT voltage. It was only when 
multisync monitors came along that the optimisation was split to reduce the 
dependency. And if the frame frequency is wrong, you will often have problems 
getting a full frame scan when you force it into sync.
                                        
                                                 
                                        
                                                So the first thing is that you 
need to make sure the 8920 monitor ran at either PAL or NTSC rates so you can 
choose a raspberry pi format to match. There's a good chance it's NTSC but 
later monitors like the ones in the 54 series of digital scopes were more like 
the IBM standards MDA and EGA (CGA was NTSC). 
                                
                                
                                
                                        
                                                On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 4:28 AM 
jb-electronics <[email protected]> wrote:
                                        
                                                Hi all,
                                                
                                                This is a bit of an off-topic 
question, but I hope there will be
                                                somebody here that can help. I 
have bought a new-old stock monochrome
                                                CRT for a HP Agilent 8920A, 
basically this unit here:
                                                
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273930914548 .
                                                
                                                It looks to me that it is just 
a rebranded OmniVision 6" display:
                                                
http://www.omnivisionusa.com/Industrial-LCD-CRT-Monitors/replacement-crt/crt-monitors/6-inch-kit-.html
                                                
                                                Now unfortunately it takes TTL 
video as input. But I have a composite
                                                source (a Raspberry Pi). How 
can I convert composite into TTL? I
                                                basically need to extract Hsync 
and Vsync and feed it separately to the
                                                unit, okay. There is an old 
circuit here that does just that:
                                                
https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/elektor-198812/47485
                                                
                                                But I know there are also 
dedicated chips, like the GS1881:
                                                
https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/761/GS1881_GS4881_GS4981_Datasheet-769183.pdf
                                                
                                                So basically here is my 
question: before I dive into this any further,
                                                is there any chance of success? 
What is the optimal choice? Or is it
                                                quite unlikely that I will be 
able to convert the signals? I mean, even
                                                if I manage to extract Hsync 
and Vsync, is it likely to work?
                                                
                                                I am sorry for the naive 
question, but I am no expert on video signals,
                                                and it would be nice if anybody 
more experienced could chime in with a
                                                few words of caution/experience.
                                                
                                                Best wishes
                                                Jens
                                                
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