Thanks to all for your advice. I now understand about the possibility of a ground loop occuring in certain instances when all wires are treminated. I think I'll try connecting all grounds (sans mic lines) upon initial termination and see what happens. I don't use computers or have much outboard gear, so hopefully I won't run into any issues. If I do, I'll start snipping the grounds.
Thanks again, Dave ---- Original Message ---- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: NEOTEK: Neotek Elite II Pin Out Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:04:09 +0100 >Hi >In all of my (many) installations I have grounded both ends as the >Rane >note suggests and rarely had problems, notably computer multi output >soundcards at -10dBu when wired with long cables. >The issue used to be with 'hum' pickup but now with everyone packing >a >mobile phone and multiple RF transmitters (computers, switchmode >supplies in things etc) having screens grounded to chassis at BOTH >ends >is necessary to keep out these RF radiations. A possible diversion >could >be to use a capacitor to give HF ground but 'break' mains frequency >hum >to help in extreme situations where ground lifting seems to be the >only >solution. >To begin with ground everwhere and if pushed it is quick to snip a >few >later. >Matt S > >David Moore wrote: >> This is a good resource for grounding and interconnecting devices: >> >> http://www.rane.com/note110.html >> >> Best, >> >> David Moore >> >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Donald Put <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> When only one side of a shield is connected it's to prevent >ground >> loops and the resulting hum they cause. Since patch bays are >used to >> connect various pieces of equipment, which can be at different >ground >> potentials if everything isn't electrically copacetic with the >studio >> mains wiring and/or other issues, there can be some induced hum >if all >> shields are connected at both ends. Even if the shield is only >> connected at one end, you will get the benefit from it. >> >> Cheers, >> -- >> Don >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:28 AM, <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > Can anyone answer our "open ended shield" question? I've got >a huge >> > cable configuration job right in front of me and if I don't >have to >> > solder a shield on one end that would be wonderful. I'm >guessing the >> > patchbay side is probably balanced. What's the deal with the >shield? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Dave >> > >> > ---- Original Message ---- >> > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: NEOTEK: Neotek Elite II Pin Out >> > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:29:58 -0700 >> > >> >>um yeah...just finished my 96 point patchbay, going to the >console >> >>and >> >>an external patchbay for outboard gear so I am really >interested in >> >>the concept of open ended shield on one side. >> >> >> >>I understand the concept of star grounding and plan on >lifting my >> >>individual components and sending the shield/patch bay >chassis >> to one >> >> >> >>ground but the open ended patch bay adds a new twist to this >> concept. >> >> >> >>Thanx, >> >>Jack >> >> >> >> >> >>On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:21 PM, [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Ike, >> >>> Can you explain the thought of grounding on one end only? >I just >> >>> terminated 96 1/4" ins/outs for my multitrack and I >soldered fully >> >>> balanced. Are you saying that I should disconnect the >shield >> on one >> >>> end? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Dave Spencer >> >>> >> >>> ---- Original Message ---- >> >>> From: [email protected] ><mailto:[email protected]> >> >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>> Subject: Re: NEOTEK: Neotek Elite II Pin Out >> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:43:00 -0400 >> >>> >> >>>> The wonderful thing about EDAC connectors is that they are >really >> >>>> easy >> >>>> to reconfigure if they aren't right. >> >>>> I strongly reccommend that you have your cables wired >> with the >> >>>> >> >>>> sheild terminated at one end only (except the Mic sources, >of >> >>>> course). >> >>>> Best, >> >>>> >> >>>> Ike Zimbel >> >>>> Zimbel Audio Ltd >> >>>> 416-720-0887 >> >>>> www.zimbelaudio.com <http://www.zimbelaudio.com> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> >> >>>> On 2010-08-11, at 11:16 AM, Jon King <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Ike, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I'm doing my best to find that out from the gentlemen I'm >buying >> >>>> the >> >>>>> desk from (the split connector idea).. It's a 40 channel >with >> >>>>> audiomate. Thanks again for the input! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Jon >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Ike wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi Jon >> >>>>>> I was just looking at an old post from a list member >> who had >> >>>> >> >>>>>> gotten his Elite snakes made by Redco. So they should >have >> it on >> >>>>>> file. I have never seen any variation in the order of >the >> >>pin-out >> >>>> >> >>>>>> which is (from memory, I'm on vacation...): >> >>>>>> a-1+ >> >>>>>> k-1- >> >>>>>> v-1 sheild >> >>>>>> It then continues across the connector in rows of eight >> >>channels. >> >>>>>> The "custom" stuff is usually whether they put >all 40 >> >>>> tape- >> >>>>>> outs on one connector (on a 40 ch desk) or split it up >over two >> >>>>>> connectors. >> >>>>>> Hope this helps. >> >>>>>> Best, >> >>>>>> Ike Zimbel >> >>>>>> Zimbel Audio Ltd >> >>>>>> 416-720-0887 >> >>>>>> www.zimbelaudio.com <http://www.zimbelaudio.com> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 2010-08-11, at 9:36 AM, Jon King <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Hey Guys, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I'm sure you all have had this question 5000 times. I'm >> looking >> >>>>>>> for an Elco Pin Out for a 1999-2000 Neotek Elite 2. >I'm in >> >>>>>>> process of purchase and I'm trying to get Redco started >on the >> >>>>>>> snakes. I'm just having no luck finding a pin out for >Mic >> Lines >> >>/ >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> Multi Track Sends / Multi Track Returns. I understand >these >> >>>>>>> consoles were quasi custom but surely there has to be >some >> sort >> >>>> of >> >>>>>>> standard of this. 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