jim - understood. thanks so much for all this valuable feedback!

pete


On May 20, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Jim wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> That stuff is likely just the remnants of the flux compound and only means 
> they didn't clean up very well................
> 
> What you're looking for is a pin that is sitting in a blob of solder, but 
> moves when pushed. Its a bit difficult to explain in words. Get a friend to 
> help you and do what I suggested before; push down from the top while you 
> look with very good light and perhaps magnification from below.
> 
> OR, just suck off the old solder and re-do each joint............note, it's 
> almost as easy to replace the connectors while doing this.
> 
> Regards, Jim
> 
> 
> At 11:33 AM 5/20/2011, you wrote:
>> ike/all -
>> 
>> would this be an example of a "dry joint"? (see pic below - the white-ish 
>> coloration around some of the solder points).
>> i would aim to desolder any points that look like this and redo. good idea?
>> 
>> pete
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Ike wrote:
>> 
>> > Yes, and the blast of signal is known as an "audio weld". With an old 
>> > console, the fault Matt describes could be anywhere, but I would start 
>> > with the Molex connectors. Another point, the same issue can also be in 
>> > soldered connections that have either cracked from stress or become cold 
>> > soldered (or "dry" as they say in England) over the years. This usually 
>> > occurs because the joint wasn't that good to begin with. Over time 
>> > contaminants work their way into the joint and it loses conductivity. 
>> > Again, the first place to look is the Molex connectors at the point where 
>> > they solder to the motherboard and the channel strip. Move the strips 
>> > around and wait a day or two. If the fault moves with the strip, it's a 
>> > strip issue. If it stays with the position it's the motherboard. Another 
>> > Molex fault is loss of spring tension in the female headers. Try checking 
>> > each one with either a single Molex pin, or a tool that's about the same 
>> > size.
>> >       And finally, exercise the switches on the affected modules. I don't 
>> > know if this is the case on the S-3, but on the Elite, the 48v switch 
>> > actually carries the mic signal so it can stop audio even when not engaged.
>> > Best
>> > Ike
>> >
>> > Ike Zimbel
>> > Zimbel Audio Ltd
>> > 416-720-0887
>> > www.zimbelaudio.com
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On 2011-05-20, at 10:28 AM, Matt Syson <[email protected]> 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi
>> >> This fairly common 'gating' effect is usually caused by dirt on a 
>> >> connector, switch or pot. An oxide film is created by chemical reaction 
>> >> of dirt and contaminants in the air which create an insulation layer 
>> >> often a few atoms thick. Putting a higher signal level through 'punches' 
>> >> a path through this insulator (an absolutely miniscule spark) and for a 
>> >> while it will work 'normally' (usually with increased distortion).  Then 
>> >> you switch off and leave it for a day or so and the contamination starts 
>> >> its work again.
>> >> Dust, moisture in the air, smoke, all contribute to this.
>> >> Matt S
>> >>
>> >> On 20/05/2011 14:27, pete wrote:
>> >>> bros -
>> >>>
>> >>> continuing the surely long and possibly never ending  list of questions 
>> >>> on my series IIIc restoration project...
>> >>>
>> >>> i am seeing the following behavior on the input modules (as well as the 
>> >>> cue modules)...
>> >>> i'm feeding the line in with the multitrack output, and as i bring up 
>> >>> the fader (and the input gain) i get weak, fuzzy signal... until i jam 
>> >>> the gain way up there (very quickly) and the channel then "comes alive" 
>> >>> so to speak. i can then bring it back down to a sensible level and all 
>> >>> is OK.
>> >>>
>> >>> what problem is this behavior indicative of? bad connection to the 
>> >>> motherboard? or a component problem in the line in circuit? at the 
>> >>> electrical level, how is a dodgy connection "made OK" (in a sense) by 
>> >>> pumping a greater voltage through it?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks all -
>> >>>
>> >>> pete------
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