On 08/25/2011 04:48 PM, Ivan Čukić wrote: >> document our bookmark points to but we should rather properly define the >> excerpt that we want to remember - a piece of text, part of an image, > > For me, the position is as important as the excerpt is. Or, those can > even be thought of as a pair of completely different things. > > the originating concepts from the real world: > - a bookmark - a point where something begins (usually where the user > last left the book - the beginning of an unread part). > - an excerpt - a specific stand-alone portion of the text that the > user writes in a notebook while reading a book. (or if he doesn't mind > writing in the book, underlined portion of the text :) ) > > Why I don't think that an excerpt can be a good substitute in all cases (I > 'm looking at this from the perspective of learning something from a > book - I think it is the most complex use-case when books are > concerned) > - on a more technical side - you can't expect the user to go and > select a range of 5-6 pages of interest, and then 'excerpt them' :) - > in the case of bookmarks, it is just 'click to bookmark the current > position'
You have to look at this from a design point of view. Of course I do not want users to do that. But conceptually it is the same thing: a classical bookmark "marks" the content starting at a certain point up to the end. So it can be stored in the same way which is important since it makes working with the information much simpler. > - excerpts don't always need to be independent of the rest of the text I never want them to be. I do not want to store the excerpt independently. The point is to mark the excerpt (we might need a better name) but let it be a fully qualified IE in the database as compared to some artificial bookmark instance. > - excerpts don't always need to be unique in a book I don't know what you mean here. > - the area for marking is not always with hard edges, that is some > topic of interest doesn't need to start and end at a certain place. > Think of a writer building up towards a theorem (fuzzy start), then > writing the theorem, writing the proof, and then some remarks about it > and consequences (fuzzy ending). I suppose you mean a reference into a book which is not finished and can change? If so this could be handled by either leaving the end of the excerpt open or define a special marker which means "up to the end". > Can we just create a /generic/ place property that will be a rectangle > for images, page/paragraph/... for books, location on a map etc.? I think that is pretty much what I mean. I never wanted to extract information from the original resource. I only want to reference it via nie:hasLogicalPart, ie. properly describe which part of the text or image we mean. Cheers, Sebastian _______________________________________________ Nepomuk mailing list [email protected] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/nepomuk
