Hi, when you say 'even off-grid is worth doing' - one thing missing for me in the discussion is anything outside of digital accountancy and data-bases; the 'market' keeps coming up. 'Off-grid' is what a lot of performance artists, dancers, painters, sculptors, etc. do; Stelarc is a mix of course (as in a way Mark Boyle was years ago). Does one believe that all art can be embedded in the digital? That work which can't be, can only enter through market forces and transfer? For me, even music is problematic online, given that my work can range from, say, .4 hz to 40k hz which takes things a bit out of mp3 or even standard wav. I'd love to see a discussion beginning with off-grid, not saying "even" such is worthwhile - beginning with off-grid and seeing what sort of contribution the digital makes, other than market/transfer. At times I think we're too close to the Wired ideology...

- Alan, and no I'm not a luddite or anti-tech; if anything I need more involvement; having no institutional affiliation keeps me out of the loop at times. And that's part of the problem for a lot of us - how much of what we're talking about relies on such affiliation? In relation to, for example, some poet somewhere who just writes and distributes? Or are those people also out of the loop?
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