Are we absolutely sure AI doesn't have experience? I'm not so sure ...
On Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 11:03 AM Max Herman via NetBehaviour < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > injured cardinal looked > at me, asked me a question > asked the question, "Caw?" > > > +++ > > > Neuroscientist and author Anil Seth in his 2022 book *Being You* suggests > that "experience" is the defining measure of consciousness, a "controlled > hallucination" or "interoceptive inference" based on predictive regulation > in the manner of Peter Sterling's concept of allostasis. Visual > experience, verbal experience, auditory, psychological, tactile, you name > it all follow this basic norm, and Sterling finds its roots all the way > back to the earliest pre-cellular life. > > Experience for real belongs to living things. Machines do not yet have > experiences, but can convincingly appear to have them (which appearing is a > big problem for human brains Seth says). He adds that one day maybe > machines will be able to have experiences, i.e. consciousness or sentience, > but that would make them alive and bring new problems of its own. Such > machine life may in fact be best not attempted according to his view but > people will do what they prefer. It may also, per Seth, not be possible to > engineer conscious experience without biology. > > Experience, or *experientia *in Latin and *esperienza *in Italian (which > both mean both experience and experiment), goes way back in the European > tradition of history. It encompasses science in the sense of observation, > hypothesis, experiment, and design; it also includes art in the sense of > aesthetic expression and perception, psychology, memory, culture, > philosophy, the visual apparatus and the verbal apparatus; it even covers > just plain what happens: history and real events. > > However, being secular and non-denominational at its essence this > principle of Experience has always had to be discreet. It is said by > Keizer that for the early Renaissance, prior to the Inquisition that is, > painting was thought to offer a path or bridge out of culture back to > nature in pursuit of restored balance. Might this not be the as yet > unidentifiable path in Giorgione's *The Tempest*, circa 1506, his > Lucretian *studiolo's *hope for science, art, and their unknown future > progeny? > > Since they don't themselves experience, machines that process information > in patterns perceptible as human may be better known as Artificial > Intelligence Imitators (or A.I.I.). That would make the old two-letter > term a misnomer not so different from recently less-than-honest conceptual > currency manipulations (as has already been widely argued). > Such a new definition would also open the flow-chain of network > intelligence more fully, admitting engineering marvels like Giorgione's to > a vital present free of their sequestered cabinet of curiosities. Nature's > experience might return too. > > And is not the conservation of circulated value at the heart of nature's > logic? > > > +++ > > > Related links: > > > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/aug/25/being-you-by-professor-anil-seth-review-the-exhilarating-new-science-of-consciousness > > > https://www.ted.com/talks/anil_seth_being_you_a_new_science_of_consciousness > > Seth, Anil. "From Unconscious Inference to the Beholder’s Share: > Predictive Perception and Human Experience." European Review, 2019. > https://psyarxiv.com/zvbkp/ > > https://nautil.us/why-conscious-ai-is-a-bad-bad-idea-302937/ > > Sterling, P. *What is Health?* (2021) > https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262043304/what-is-health/ > > Sterling, allostasis video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyo9Qvz84U > > Sterling article about allostasis (2012). > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21684297/ > > Keizer, J. *Leonardo's Paradox.* (2021) > https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/L/bo38335953.html > > Keiser, Joost. "Leonardo and Allegory," Oxford Art Journal 35 (2012): > 433-55. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tempest_(Giorgione) > > Campbell, S. J., & Giorgione. (2003). Giorgione’s “Tempest,” “Studiolo” > Culture, and the Renaissance Lucretius. Renaissance Quarterly, 56(2), > 299–332. https://doi.org/10.2307/1261849 > > > > +++ > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >
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