Hi _ b _ ,
I hope your exile is bringing something of value :-)
marc
i would better not ask you about those spanish net artists... as i'm
very confortable here, in this netbehaviour exile...
marc escribió:
a quick rewrite/or add on...
Yes I am definately aware of them. I do not know them personally,
although some of my friends do.
One of the reasons that we started furtherfield in 97 was because we
wanted to propose an alternative for interested net artists and web
artists, who may wish for a different kind of Internet culture or art
experience, exploring beyond the controlling elements that seemed to
be suffocating many of us who were 'not' interested in the tiresome
tactic of mirroring the more traditional fine art traditions.
marc
Hi ___ b ___,
>i don't know if you know about the considered net artists in
spain... it's so funny, so ridiculous...
Yes I am definately aware of them. One of the reasons that we
started furtherfield in 97 was because we wanted to propose an
alternative for interested net artists and web artists, who were
more interested in a kind of Internet culture or art experience that
at least could in spirit go beyond the controlling elements that
seemed to be suffocating many of us who were interested in the
modernist tactic of being a smug, elitist via self-serving actions,
mirroring the more traditional behaviours of fine art traditions. To
us, even though some of the activist tactics were interesting in
their own right, but fell short in respect of the (obvious)
intentions and felt less critical because the goals and desires
behind them were desperate. We wanted to pursue a less macho
direction and open things up a bit more to those who may not
actually be seen as net artists themselves, I think that we still
maintain this mixture of networked, Internet art and net art, with
other connected genres, moving in for different creative practices
that may mtually, rest on the edge of art.
>but far away the net, doesn't happen the same in all arts?
Ah yes - you are definately right, it does...
For me, net art is important but changing the materiality of art and
its culture is also equally worth exploring.
marc
marc, i don't know if you know about the considered net artists in
spain... it's so funny, so ridiculous...
but far away the net, doesn't happen the same in all arts?
--
about heroic periods in the net... that's a long conversation,
because it has change a lot in 10 years. (it has change so much
that i'm sort-of-hidden-here... protecting myself from the outside
net...)
i don't know if new users joining the net now would apreciate
harvey's anatomy, for instances... or mez's language.
--
marc escribió:
I know where you are coming from...
I have been arguing against the conolisation of net art by just a
few 'net.artists' for years.
I have also been against this notion of a 'heroic period', a myth
designed by those who used the (.) in net art (net.art), their
greed for popularity was only for the few.
For me it was a depressing experience, especially when a couple of
my personal friends who I had been creating projects with in 96
started building for high profiles via certain academics and
exploiting my own energies for their own fame. Getting known is
not the issue here though, it is more that many other net artists
at that time were not supported and were left out of the picture
(deliberately) by a small group - in order to claim a trophy in
the history books, whilst isolating their firends and peers
systematically.
I feel that the net.art gang (not net art) actually brought about
the decline of net art generally, by creating mythologies that it
was 'they' alone who were worth being considered by institutions
certain academics. A devious strategy which in vision was myopic
and bared no thought for the growth of net art as a whole. We also
should remember that these individuals also tried to say that net
art was dead in 1999. This decline or tactical shift was around
the same time of the dot.com crash. Which, of course was not true
in reality, to those thousands of others who were just getting on
with it making anyway. This helped to make more solid (the
mythology) regarding their own positoning in the history books,
and for creating a more accessible place for themselves in
galleries and for selling their works. It was tactical and of
course about individuals rather then the culture as a whole...
Many have used the term 'net.art', to represent their own genre or
practice as opposed to 'net art', yet were not actively or
directly part of the 'net.art heroic period mythlogy'. They were
just around doing interesting excellent stuff at the same time -
so today it is really tough for those who had their own histories
distorted also by the few.
So, its complicated - especially for those who are confused about
net art history anyway. I feel that we need to move on from
dwelling about a few misguided individuals, and spend more of
energies in concentrating on those who really deserve our respect
and support - which of course, is each other.
Times are changing and history is and will be re-evalauted,
thankfully - and such hegemonies will be contested as part of a
much larger movement. Because people like myself (and hopefully
others) who were also doing net art stuff at that time will offer
alternative experiences relating to net art history.
I have forgiven my 'net.art' friends in the UK, every now and then
I work with them on some projects. One has to let things go after
a while because such resentment can also distort one's own
perspectives and then create their own mythologies...
marc
i don't agree, jimpunk doesn't remember me jodi,
in the last video works, reminds me to the great nam june paik.
i hate jodi, in fact, i just can't stand him... him and some
others...
in net art, i "hate" more people who is acting as net-artist and
esqueezing the concept in order to be named that... because it's
so cool to be named netartist... that doesn't make the point. i
would write here more names, but what for? i just don't want them
to be in me, so i forgot the names...
i can't hate: it would give to the people i dislike a sort of
power from me, and i just want to give myself to people i like,
like jim or some artists of this list + auriea, always, of course...
maybe there are lots of net-art histories, written by every one of
us...
my net-art history began with hell collective.
i would be cruel with jodi in this mail, but it doesn't make point
either...
jimpunk video works remember me in some way to nam june paik's
experiments,
and i feel very sorry for
That-People-Who-Is-Well-Positioned-In-Net-Art-World, and try to
make us think that what they write is specially important to
current net art situation, making their living out of it like
parasites...
ajj
The Art Gallery of Knoxville escribió:
> http://theartgalleryofknoxville.com/logo-w-jimpunk.gif
> EXHIBITION OF ART
> B Y JIMPUNK ! > MAY 1 - 26
> http://theartgalleryofknoxville.com/jimpunk3.gif
> http://theartgalleryofknoxville.com/jimpunk4.gif
>
> May 1 - 26 The Art Gallery of Knoxville is excited to
> present the work of artist jimpunk.
> > http://www.jimpunk.com/
> > OPENING FRIDAY MAY 4 - 6 - 11pm >
> jimpunk is a French artist - working as a "net activist"
> broadcasting content online and around the world.
> This exhibition will present an installation centered
> around the net/video work of DVblogH4ck:
> > http://dvblogh4ck.blogspot.com/
>
> http://theartgalleryofknoxville.com/jimpunk1.gif
> > The work will be on view in the Gallery May 1 - 26,
> Friday and Saturday (3-8pm). Please join us for the
> opening party Friday May 4.
> > jimpunk has participated in various international new media
festivals, including Rhizome Artbase 101 for New Museum of
Contemporary Art, runme.org festival, European Media Art Festival,
break21_6th International Festival of Young Emerging Artists,
FILE-2002 electronic language international festival, Impakt
Festival 2002, machida museum art on the net 2002. Winner of the
CYNETart_award 2004 -Trans-Media-Akademie Hellerau in 2004.
> > His work may be found in the 2004 book "Internet Art" by
Rachel Greene, published by Thames & Hudson.
>
> for more information on jimpunk:
>
> http://www.jimpunk.com/info/jimpunk_bio.txt
> > > The image
>
> "jimpunk, is a talented and elegant artist who capitalises
> on the Rococo potentialities of HTML, JavaScript and Flash
> to create sites of infinite variability, detail and unending
> surprise. His works have been perfectly described by
> Tricia Fragnito as 'a web version of a roller coaster ride:
> scary and fun and at the end you want to go again.' "
> > "In true networked style, jimpunk often works collaboratively
> across geographical space, and produces sites which
> exploit the unique experience of net browsing. He
> embraces the pixel and what some would call "bad web
> design" using web safe colour, pop up and flashing graphics
> in works like www.-reverse.-flash-.-.back-; and in one of my
> favourites the now offline www.nowar.nogame.org . Although
> his breed of network art may have had an early Jodi-esque
> influence, we can see from the intimate and poetic musing
> of 1n-0ut [meditation], it has grown up to be distinctively
> 'jimpunk.' "
> > Melinda Rackham,2005-04-25
> Posted to http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread=17114&page=1
>
> *********************
> UPCOMING
> > photography project with migrant farmworker youth
> and local 4-H children in rural TN
>
> playing three miles of wall along the Arizona/Sonora
> border as an electro-acoustic instrument
>
> Curated by Jane Crowe
> *********************
> The Art Gallery of Knoxville
> 317 N Gay St.
> Knoxville, TN 37917
> TEL: +1 978 857 0474
> www.theartgalleryofknoxville.com
>
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