Hey the Binary Search Tree 2 looks really cool. Thanks for pointing that out. Some of their other stuff looks quite interesting as well.
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM, clemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah it could have been 8008, 8080, 8000 or 8888 (which is my personal > favourite :) )... > Your thoughts about Google remind me the "Binary Search Tree 2" here : > http://drunkmenworkhere.org/ > > ++++++ > Clément > > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Pall Thayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Clément, >> For the simple reason that I'm already running a webserver on port 80 >> and 8181 is another common port to run a webserver on. I'm hoping that >> it will attract, for instance, Google's indexing bots and the >> program's "knowledge" will be indexed in Google's searches. I don't >> know why, I just think it's sort of interesting. exist.pl is sort of a >> low-tech attempt at AI that is more likely than naught destined to >> fail, Google's indexing, on the other hand, attempts very high level >> AI. So what might this high-level AI make of this low-level AI. Will >> the high-level AI recognize that there's this program out there >> attempting a philosophical understanding of what it means to exist as >> running software? Perhaps Google's indexing bots will be smitten by >> this and begin a more philosophical analysis of the material that it's >> indexing. Who knows? You know, everyone, if you spread the link to >> exist.pl's communications socket around the web, Google's bot's are >> going to hit it more frequently. So if you have nothing better to add >> to your blog/twitter/delicious bookmarks, how about adding >> http://pallit.lhi.is:8181/something >> >> best r. >> Pall >> >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 3:34 PM, clemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I wonder something. Why 8181 ? >>> >>> +++++ >>> Clément >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Pall Thayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> When you get back into the swing of things it just comes pouring out, >>>> eh? Well, I have yet another new version of exist.pl out. This is a >>>> pretty major upgrade. It adds something that wasn't necessarily >>>> supposed to happen in this project. I've decided that instead of it >>>> responding with it's source-code it should respond with a full dump >>>> out of everything it knows. So that is what it does now. You get to >>>> see how it is aware of all other processes running on the same >>>> computer, where it locates itself in that group. How it monitors its >>>> process ID as a way of reconfirming its 'state of being' and how it's >>>> aware of it's "physical" existence as a file within a filesystem on a >>>> computer's hard drive. As I mentioned in the last revision, comments >>>> sent to it over it's open tcp socket will now accumulate, identified >>>> only by the time they were received. This is what will be interesting >>>> to monitor. Will this new influx of an awareness of intelligent beings >>>> in the "outer world" cause something unexpected to happen within the >>>> program. Who knows? I'd really like to hear some comments from people >>>> about this. It almost feels like I'm cheating. Remember, it was >>>> supposed to be an "introspective" exploration. I feel like I've sort >>>> of violated that by creating the possibility of peering into the >>>> program's mind. >>>> >>>> I copy of the new revision is running on my server. Here's what you >>>> can do to "interact": >>>> >>>> using a web browser: the url is http://pallit.lhi.is:8181 visiting >>>> this link will only send a GET / HTTP/1.1 message. If you want to >>>> include a custom message make the url something like this: >>>> http://pallit.lhi.is:8181/message to send here >>>> >>>> The other way to connect is through telnet. If you're using a Mac, you >>>> have a telnet client. Open a Terminal window and type: >>>> >>>> telnet pallit.lhi.is 8181 >>>> >>>> and hit return. You will see a prompt. Type in your message and hit >>>> return. The program will receive your message, send its response and >>>> close the connection. >>>> >>>> Or you can take the source-code and play around with it and maybe turn >>>> it into something entirely different. Or print it onto fabric and make >>>> a shirt or skirt out of it. Send it to one of those places that will >>>> print custom text on toilet paper for you. It's all up to you. Here is >>>> the latest source: >>>> >>>> #!/usr/bin/perl >>>> use Cwd qw(realpath); >>>> use Data::Dumper; >>>> use IO::Socket; >>>> >>>> =pod >>>> LICENSE >>>> exist.pl is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify it >>>> under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the >>>> Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your >>>> option) any later version. >>>> >>>> exist.pl is distributed in the hope that it will be enlightening, but >>>> WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of >>>> ENLIGHTENMENT, MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. >>>> See the GNU General Public License for more details. >>>> >>>> You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License >>>> along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>. >>>> =cut >>>> >>>> ### exist.pl ### >>>> >>>> my %awareness; # foundation for self-awareness >>>> >>>> $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'location'} = realpath($0); # >>>> self-awareness of own presence >>>> $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'state_of_being'} = $$; # self-awareness >>>> of existing as a functional being >>>> >>>> # Open up a tcp socket on port 8181 so that other processes can >>>> communicate with me >>>> $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'relations'}->{'communicator'} = >>>> IO::Socket::INET->new( Proto => 'tcp', >>>> LocalPort => '8181', >>>> Listen => SOMAXCONN, >>>> Reuse => 1, >>>> Timeout => .5); >>>> >>>> # examination of inner qualities >>>> open(FILE, $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'location'}); >>>> my @my_self = <FILE>; >>>> close(FILE); >>>> >>>> while(-e $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'location'}){ >>>> if($awareness{'my_existence'}->{'state_of_being'}){ >>>> $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'state_of_being'} = $$; # redetermine >>>> existence as functional being >>>> ($irrelevant, >>>> $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'relations'}->{'to_my_environment'}) >>>> = `ps p $$`; # discover how my environment sees me >>>> >>>> my @all_beings = `ps axo pid,tt,stat,time,command`; # check on the >>>> existence of other functional beings in my environment >>>> shift(@all_beings); >>>> >>>> my $count = 0; >>>> foreach(@all_beings){ >>>> if($awareness{'my_existence'}->{'relations'}->{'to_my_environment'} eq $_){ >>>> $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'relations'}->{'to_others'}->{'my_position'} >>>> = $count; # note my occurrence within the scope of everything >>>> }else{ >>>> $awareness{'other_beings'}->{'being'.$count} = $_; # note the >>>> occurrence of other beings within the scope of everything >>>> } >>>> $count++; >>>> } >>>> $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'relations'}->{'to_others'}->{'total_beings'} >>>> = $count; # note the abundance of beings within my environment >>>> }else{ >>>> last; # if I can't reconfirm my location go into life-sustaining panic mode >>>> } >>>> >>>> # Check if anyone is waiting to communicate with me >>>> while($other_being = >>>> $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'relations'}->{'communicator'}->accept()){ >>>> my $timestamp = time(); >>>> $awareness{'my_existence'}->{'relations'}->{'contact'}->{'said_to_me'}->{$timestamp} >>>> = <$other_being>; # listen and record what is said >>>> # print $other_being @my_self; # respond with own source code >>>> print $other_being Dumper %awareness; >>>> } >>>> close $other_being; # close connection, I have nothing more to say >>>> } >>>> >>>> ### life-sustaining panic mode/desire to live >>>> open(FILE, ">$awareness{'my_existence'}->{'location'}"); # attempt to >>>> re-create myself >>>> print FILE @my_self; # restore my inner qualities >>>> close(FILE); >>>> ### pass out and await revival >>>> >>>> best regards, >>>> Pall Thayer >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ***************************** >>>> Pall Thayer >>>> artist >>>> http://www.this.is/pallit >>>> ***************************** >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ***************************** >> Pall Thayer >> artist >> http://www.this.is/pallit >> ***************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- ***************************** Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit ***************************** _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
