but I guess that's because you're only human :) m. --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO at The Dark Mountain only human > To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" > <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 3:09 PM > all true, elegant in a way and yet > somehow not all that helpful :) > m. > > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, james morris <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > From: james morris <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO at The Dark Mountain > only human > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:41 PM > > > > On 28/10/2009, "Michael Szpakowski" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > ><"Our civilisation is fucked! What are we > gonna > > > do?" > > > >Well if it is reducible to that, why didn't they > just > > say that? > > > > They're only human. > > > > >And if that is all they meant, why are we > worrying > > about *art* and not *doing* something? > > > > We're only human. > > > > >I live for art but if I *am* in a boat going over > a > > cataract I don't paint a picture of it. > > > > You're only human. > > > > >The prolix style & ridiculously self-regarding > and > > overheated tone came from the manifesto, not Edward's > > clinical dissection of it. > > > > He's only human. > > > > > I say clinical dissection, because although it's > > undoubtedly true that Edward can *write* whereas these > folk > > can't, I agree what matters is the ideas and, far from > a > > Canute moment, Edward assists us greatly here too > although > > he admittedly draws back from the obvious conclusion, > which > > is that there is no separation to be made between the > tone > > of the manifesto & its content.. > > > > He's only human. > > > > >The truth is the bombast is not accidental, but > > integral. It arises out of a fundamental poverty of > thought. > > The rotten style is a function of the intellectual > void at > > the heart of the whole enterprise. > > > > It's only human. > > > > >Civilisation bad? OK. Let's see them give up the > > internet, polio, smallpox and TB vaccines, printing, > film, > > anaesthetics, amplification, antibiotics, map making, > > mathematics, musical instruments, a world governed by > some > > attempt at rationality and not ghosts, devils and > malign > > Gods. > > > > They're only human. > > > > >Fuck it -let's give up the written word, which > after > > all is an attribute of civilisation. Let's return to > a > > lifespan of 25-35 for most people, carried for the > most part > > in a desperate attempt at subsistence... > > > > They're only human. > > > > >Why not go even go further back in the search for > a > > chimerical purity, the one that relieves us of the > > responsibility of actually *doing* anything that > might > > change anything, and give up cooking food. > > > > It would be only human. > > > > >Artistically the, quite random, privileging of > > "stories" could come straight out of one of those > expensive > > screenwriting courses which both contribute to and in > turn > > chart the market led corruption of the art of film... > > > > It's only human. > > > > >Just to be slightly more polemical, too, on the > > question of localism. > > > > You're only human. > > > > >To spell it out - who are the current most high > profile > > proponents of the idea of artistic localism in this > country? > > - the bloody BNP, with their, in fairiness unrequited, > love > > affair with English folk music. Of course I'm not > accusing > > the manifesto authors of being soft on Nazism, just of > a > > failure to read history, to be even a tiny bit > politically > > literate, to look and to think. > > > > They're only human. > > > > >I think you're right on your central point though, > Bob > > -the manifesto does essentially boil down to those > two > > phrases, which is why it's a recipe for utter > political > > passivity with a couple of quite randomly subjective > and > > unthought out artistic afterthoughts bolted on. > > > > That would be only human. > > > > Regards, > > The One True Human. > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
