I wonder if ideas aren't recirculated under new names - this really does 
sound like the framework of the 'cultural relativism' problematic I 
learned at Brown University all the way back. I'm not sure about 'trajec- 
tivity' - it sounds like a term I've been using, 'jectivity,' to indicate 
the impenetrable skein of identifications that occur (online and else- 
where) through introjections and projections. The last two terms do relate 
to one's reading of something elsewhere.

I did stop reading Virilio a while ago - I'll look for the book.

Thanks, Alan


On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Pall Thayer wrote:

> The Virilio essay I'm mostly referring to is titled "The Perspective
> of Real Time" and is in the book "Open Sky". This is where he mentions
> "the world as just one vast floor" and things such as "objectivity,
> subjectivity and trajectivity", "the trans-apparent horizon" and other
> cryptic yet interesting ideas. The whole idea is that he suggests that
> by experiencing things from afar (being "telepresent") we aren't
> getting the whole picture. We might be getting the objective and
> subjective but we're always missing the trajective which can only be
> acquired by physically traveling to a location such that the way in
> which we experience events once we get there will be shaped not only
> by our personal experience and culture but also by anything we may
> have experienced while on our way there as well as by our
> understanding of the physical distance between our "home" location and
> this new location, i.e. a heightened awareness of the fact that we
> aren't in Kansas anymore.
>
> best r.
> Pall
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks for this! It gets incredibly complicated - re: Iran, I agree with
>> an 'internal' reading, which I think, for those of us in the West, is
>> fundamentally impossible at this stage. (I'd argue the same for Israel,
>> but Israel is subsumed under a concept of Occidentalism that I find
>> problematic.) I think a lot of the concern is with Iran's belligerance,
>> missiles and uranium, threats, and things like the 'holocaust conference'
>> a few years ago which set out to prove that the holocaust never happened.
>> I do judge that, not that it matters.
>>
>> It's not just Virilio (although I haven't read this source in particular),
>> but even things like the 'flat earth' idea in relation to globalization,
>> not to mention all the writings on information implosion, etc. I tend to
>> find Virilio problematic because of his metaphoricity (?); what you
>> describe below is something I learned in anthropology at Brown, and some-
>> thing that John Duvignaud talks about in Change At Shebika, in relation,
>> say to Levi-Strauss. There's geopolitics at work as well; I think I'd
>> condemn nazism, for example, under any framework.
>>
>> What you say about embedding also works in reverse, which is a horror -
>> during the Bush administrations, reporters were 'embedded' with US troops
>> - the horror suffered by the other side was always invisible, but here in
>> the US there were compassionate images of our soldiers. And the reports
>> made it sound as if the newpeople were Edward R. Murrows - on the front-
>> lines, telling like it is - when what was really being reported was
>> managed news, lies, lies, lies.
>>
>> Can you give the Virlilio source? Would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Alan
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Pall Thayer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> Personally, I would find it hard to address some of these issues
>>> without some mention of Paul Virilio's ideas on globalism especially
>>> as he portrays it in "Open Sky" (i.e. the world as just one vast
>>> floor). A good example of what he's talking about is the recent and
>>> ongoing events in Iran. What's throwing things off for the Iranian
>>> government is the fact that these events are being judged on a global
>>> scale by people who have no knowledge of nor interest in local
>>> political and religious culture. You could say that what offends us
>>> most is the fact that the Iranian government is displaying behaviour
>>> that we would not accept from our own government. But who is to say
>>> that our way of doing things is "more correct"? Much of the news, as
>>> we see it, is being written by people who aren't necessarily even
>>> embedded in the scene where the events are occurring and this has a
>>> profound effect on the way in which we evaluate the information we
>>> receive. Add to that the fact that we also have access to seemingly
>>> unfiltered commentary both from within and without and the whole thing
>>> becomes very complex. It's entirely up to the individual to evaluate
>>> the information. But is it really fair to evaluate it without knowing
>>> anything about the culture from which these events arise? Without
>>> physically travelling to the event's location to experience it outside
>>> of our own cultural bias? Without getting a true physical sense of how
>>> far removed it is not just from our own culture but also our own
>>> location? One has to wonder.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi - I'm teaching this course as an adjunct/replacement; the description 
>>>> covers
>>>> racism, feminism, queer theory, religious factionalism, the shrinking 
>>>> planet,
>>>> and so forth - more or less of a grab-bag. I want to emphasize the global
>>>> aspect. For reading materials, I'm hoping to use Ryan's Culture Studies: An
>>>> Anthology (as background), and all sorts of online materials (as 
>>>> foreground).
>>>> The approach will be less theory and more description, etc. than usually 
>>>> the
>>>> case (perhaps). Anyway, below is a description of the first two classes'
>>>> material, which is designed to create a kind of backdrop; it's divided into
>>>> 'Picture' and 'Framework' - the former, a rough description of global 
>>>> issues,
>>>> etc.; and the latter, a close division emphasizing theory, practice, and
>>>> example. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, including URLs of 
>>>> relevant
>>>> sites.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks greatly, Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notes for course on 'cross-cultural human relations':
>>>> PICTURE and FRAMEWORK
>>>>
>>>> PICTURE:
>>>>
>>>> EXPONENTIAL, SINUSOIDAL, and LINEAR models:
>>>> CATASTROPHE THEORY:
>>>> The UNIVERSAL and the CASE:
>>>> Global resources: ecological constraints: water, territory, food,
>>>> climate, population.
>>>> Group resources: cultural inhibitions, identifications.
>>>> Carrying-capacity of earth: EXPONTENTIAL POPULATION INCREASE.
>>>> Wars and their causes, increased weaponry, numbers and power.
>>>> Expansion gap between haves and have-nots: enclaves, gangs, 'rogue 
>>>> states,' and
>>>> shifting territories.
>>>>
>>>> FRAMEWORK:
>>>>
>>>> Heredity and environment: entangled (Waddington's chreod).
>>>> Essentialism and 'choice': what is taken as a given in human experience.
>>>> Prosthetic technologies: transformations of essentialism.
>>>> Identifications, a-identifications, non-identifications, issues of -
>>>> tolerance, prejudice, advocacy, all the way up and down.
>>>> Projections and introjections.
>>>> Purity and abjections.
>>>> What are the cultural and political manifestations?)
>>>> Race (how defined, how divided, how is it culturally and
>>>> biologically manifest, what sorts of groups are created?)
>>>> 'Traditional' male/female divisions: political and biological issues
>>>> (wage, pregnancy, life-span, crime, socio-cultural issues).
>>>> Cross-gendered, trans-gendered, gays, lesbians, heterosexuals: queer 
>>>> theory.
>>>> Religious divisions: issues of inerrancy, truth, world-view.
>>>> Subcultures: punk and other divisions.
>>>> Class and caste divisions: related to economic divisions.
>>>> Cultural and economic capital (Bourdieu, Distinction).
>>>> Age divisions (individual and national/international demographics).
>>>> National divisions.
>>>> Bias, stigma, bullying: symptomology and theory.
>>>> Sociobiology, anyone?
>>>> History and historiography of divisions, individual and group memory.
>>>> Technological capital increasingly important.
>>>> Related to technological capital: information/communications capital.
>>>> Related to all of the above: attention economy.
>>>> Can one speak of an entertainment economy?
>>>> Global culture identifications: Michael Jackson, football (soccer), etc.
>>>> -- Their relation to corporate production and local cultures. (Think of
>>>> radio/television in this regard.)
>>>> Splintering of identifications online: Youtube or Facebook for examples.
>>>> Hardening of identifications online: Stormfront, jihad sites, political
>>>> blogs.
>>>> Animals: extinctions, bushmeat, starvation, habitat shrinking, disturbed
>>>> systems ('extreme' sports etc.).
>>>>
>>>> How are all of the above entangled/interrelated?
>>>> Ecological constraints: the carrying-capacity of the earth, limited
>>>> resources (water, energy, food, shelter, transportation, medical care,
>>>> wilderness, changing climate, pollutions, extinctions, etc.).
>>>> Labor force. (Slave, wage, surplus, global, etc.)
>>>>
>>>> What are the lines here?
>>>> 1. Ecological constraints.
>>>> 2. Inherent identifications: sexual?, health, age, race?
>>>> (What constitutes inherency?)
>>>> 3. Cultural and territorial identifications: subcultures, religious,
>>>> national, global: ~~ selves and others.
>>>> (Primatological, psychoanalytical, sociobiological explanations.)
>>>> 4. ECONOMIC and SYMBOLIC CAPITAL.
>>>>
>>>> Think of a playing-field of continuously-changing structures, virtual-
>>>> particle vacuum.
>>>>
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