On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Ruth Catlow <[email protected]>wrote:
> Hi, > > I found Alessandro's answer illuminating and helpful in terms of getting a > better understanding of Berardi's position although I don't know the book or > the author. However the statement that Annie quoted suggests carelessness > around questions of gender. > > Annie, would it have made better sense perhaps if the author had described > the separation of 'parents' from their babies instead? > That would have made all the diffrence > > And now I'm interested about whether the author differentiates between men > and women's experiences in any other places? > That's also what I am interested in. > > best things > Ruth > thanks Ruth for clarifying best Annie > > > -----Original Message----- > *From*: anniea <[email protected] <anniea%20%[email protected]%3e>> > *Reply-To*: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < > [email protected]<netbehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%[email protected]%3e> > > > *To*: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < > [email protected]<netbehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%[email protected]%3e> > > > *Subject*: Re: [NetBehaviour] franco "bifo" berardi and women > *Date*: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:34 +0200 > > Sorry mail left before I was finished > > Indeed Alessandro, I do agree that working in front of a computer screen > has all kind of bodily implications. > The most evident one, being the use of only fingers to expres what ever we > feel in front of a screen. The body image in our brain already has very big > hands, I am convinced that the body image of for instance a child that uses > the computer a lot will have comparatively even bigger hand parts. > http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=87494 > Youngsters nowadays don't have the same brain as I had at the same age or > as had most of their teachers and that is creating a problem in education. > This is a very general problem and doesn't have anything to do with gender. > > So what was and is bothering me is that Berardi solely talks about women, > as if it should be solely her role to take care of the baby. > Maybe it's not important, but it feels as a very conservative trait in an > otherwise very enlightening approach. > > I might be wrong. > > Annie > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:40 PM, a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Indeed Alessandro, I do agree that working in front of a computer screen > has all kind of bodily implications. > The most evident one, being the use of only fingers to expres what ever we > feel in front of a screen. The body image in our brain already has very big > hands, I am convinced that the body image of for instance a child that uses > the computer a lot will have comparatively even bigger hand parts. > http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=87494 > Youngsters nowadays don't have the same brain as I had at the same age or > and that is re > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Alessandro Ludovico < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Anne and list, > > Actually, as you pointed out, Bifo is a master in analyzing the > contemporary forms of immaterial and information-related alienation. > > Probably he meant that: capital is composing an almost unbearable > puzzle of alienating practices for the social class that he defines > as the "cognitariat". There's a specific piece of this puzzle related > to women, and it is distancing her from their young babies in various > ways. In post-pregnancy, for example, she has to return to work when > the baby is 3 months old (or even before), usually she works distant > from home, and usually she has to work full time or even more > regardless of her condition, especially in private companies). That's > worst then it used to be. All of the above sums up to her > non-physical work in front of a screen. So her important physical > relationship with the baby is more than ever reduced, and her body is > even more physically deprived, because she's using only hands on a > keyboard with an overstimulation of the "soul", as Bifo defines it in > his latest book "The Soul at Work" (review > http://www.neural.it/art/2010/04/franco_bifo_berardi_the_soul_a.phtml) > > In my humble opinion, > Alessandro Ludovico > > > >Lately I have been reading "Precarious Rhapsody" by Franco "Bifo" > >Berardi. It was very interesting to read and gave me the feeling of > >finally meeting a "new" perspective and an original thinker on > >capitalism, sickness, work, boredom, terror and error, machines and > >even poetry. > > > >There is one phrase that I can't forget : > >"In neoliberal society women are forced to work away from home, and > >so they are distanced from their babies, in conditions of > >psycho-psysical stress, anxiety and affective impoverishment." > >What does this mean? > >Does Berardi want women to stay at home? > > > >Anyone on this list that knows his work and writing better than I do > >ca, shed some light? > > > >Yours > >Annie Abrahams > > > > > >-- > >Documentation Huis Clos / No Exit - On Collaboration - > > ><http://bram.org/huisclos/oncollaboration/> > http://bram.org/huisclos/oncollaboration/ > > >loK8Tr, Matthew Pioro, about the dangers and pitfalls of online > >collaboration > > >< > http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/about-the-dangers-and-pitfalls-of-online-collaboration/ > > > http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/about-the-dangers-and-pitfalls-of-online-collaboration/ > > > >#avg_ls_inline_popup { position:absolute; z-index:9999; padding: 0px > >0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; width: 240px; overflow: > >hidden; word-wrap: break-word; color: black; font-size: 10px; > >text-align: left; line-height: 13px;} > > > >_______________________________________________ > >NetBehaviour mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > -- > > > Alessandro Ludovico > - > Neural - english (http://neural.it/) italian ( > http://www.neural.it/neural_it/) > Latest Issue (#35 + extra) - > http://www.neural.it/art/2010/03/neural_35_friends.phtml > Subscribe - http://www.neural.it/subscribe.phtml > - > Twitter: http://twitter.com/_neural > Facebook Group: > http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=41374986391&ref=ts<http://www.facebook.com/#%21/group.php?gid=41374986391&ref=ts> > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > -- > Documentation Huis Clos / No Exit - On Collaboration - > http://bram.org/huisclos/oncollaboration/ > loK8Tr, Matthew Pioro, about the dangers and pitfalls of online > collaboration > http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/about-the-dangers-and-pitfalls-of-online-collaboration/ > > > > > -- > Documentation Huis Clos / No Exit - On Collaboration - > http://bram.org/huisclos/oncollaboration/ > loK8Tr, Matthew Pioro, about the dangers and pitfalls of online > collaboration > http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/about-the-dangers-and-pitfalls-of-online-collaboration/ > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing > [email protected]http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- Documentation Huis Clos / No Exit - On Collaboration - http://bram.org/huisclos/oncollaboration/ loK8Tr, Matthew Pioro, about the dangers and pitfalls of online collaboration http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/about-the-dangers-and-pitfalls-of-online-collaboration/
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