In the US at least, design has increasingly overpowered art, in art- schools (by design, I mean the field, not designs); students are attracted to the concrete possibility of jobs, and art schools are tied, more and more, into corporate sponsorship - the most blatant example of which is the Savannah College of Art and Design. A certain critical edge is lost, as far as education is concerned - there will always be rebellious students thank god, but teaching and showing in general are 'flattening' out as a result of commercial pressure. Forgive me for being exhausted btw - hope I'm making sense here. - Alan
On Sat, 1 May 2010, dave miller wrote: > Hi Alan > > I'm always interested in how the art system works - can you please > expand on "A big problem is the relation > between art and design..." > thanks dave > > On 1 May 2010 18:47, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> I wonder if this isn't the result of an absent somewhat self-sustaining >> art community? In NY, there are numerous venues - it's almost impossible >> to get into a museum etc. (that's "blue-chip" stuff) - but it's not >> difficult to set up a show somewhere, or show at a smaller space - it's a >> much broader base. This is especially true for dancer/musician/performer - >> these things can be done fast and there are a lot of venues - everyone I >> know here shows somewhere, including people who aren't making money from >> their work. So the big deals are still there, but they're with "big" >> artists who are also brokers - it's a different kind of corruption, but >> it's one that's easier on bottom-feeders. A big problem is the relation >> between art and design - so many young artists are concerned with making >> it and the political/critical edge isn't there so much. On the other hand >> earlier on, people like Vito Acconci and Dan Graham seemed ruthless here - >> ambition was everything. >> >> - Alan >> >> >> On Sat, 1 May 2010, manik wrote: >> >>> ...ART BUREAUCRACY IS EXTENSION OF CORPORATIVE *IDEA*...THEY EXISTED TO >>> EXPLOIT RESOURCE WHICH ART MAKE TROUGH HER SHORT INDEPENDENT >>> HISTORY/ARTIFACTS...REAL ESTATE.../ETC.../SO CALLED *AESTHETIC*AS SCIENCE IS >>> NOTHING ELSE THAN ONE MORE PLAYGROUND FOR MARKET...ART >>> BUREAUCRACY LIKE CLERKS BUY AND SELL...NOTHING MORE ...NOTHING LESS...*BIG* >>> NAMES OF CURATORS...ARTISTS... AND ART BROKERS ARE LIKE HEAP IN SOME BIG >>> STOCK MARKET...THEIR NAMES ARE EPHEMERAL...THEIR ROLE IN ART IS MOSTLY >>> DISHONEST...EXAMPLE...IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME EXHIBITION IN MY COUNTRY YOU >>> MUST CONTACT SOME STATE INSTITUTION...NOT SOME NET.CHARACTER LIKE MANIK OR >>> SOMETHING...DEAL IS BETWEEN TWO SIMILAR INSTITUTIONS...MINISTRY IN SERBIA >>> STEP IN DEAL WITH RECIPROCAL MINISTRY OF OTHER COUNTRY AND FLOW OF MONEY IS >>> ESTABLISHED... INDIVIDUAL IS JUST SIGNATURE ON CHECK WHO GIVE LEGALITY TO >>> THIS DREGS...FOR ARTIST LEFT SOME SMALL CHANGE AND *GLORY*... FINALLY *ART >>> BUREAUCRACY* DECIDE WHAT'S ART AND WHO COULD BE ARTIST...ARTIST'S ARE >>> COLLATERAL DAMAGE NOW ...THEY LIVE IN WORST UTOPIA EVER...IN WORLD OF >>> *WESTERN POTLATCH* >>> /.BATAILLE-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Bataille/...BUT WITHOUT IT'S >>> ETHIC BASE...EXTINGUISHED AND HUMILIATE ARTIST IS HAPPY TO GIVE TO FAT *ART >>> BUREAUCRACY*HIS BLOOD...IN RETURN THEY CAN SHIT OVER HIM AND HIS >>> SURVIVAL...THAT'S LOOK TO US LIKE WORST PERVERSION...EVER...MANIK...MAY >>> DAY...2010... >>> >>> >> >> >> == >> email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >> webpage http://www.alansondheim.org >> music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >> == >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ == _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
