I agree 100%. You also correctly describe the creeping instrumentalisation of creative practice and knowledge making by the government and industry. This is only going to accelerate and make our lives harder. Independent channels of discursive engagement, where individuals and collectives can negotiate new forms of expression, practice and outcome are critically important to combating this negative social tendency. Long live Netbehaviour and its fellow travellers!
Best Simon Simon Biggs [email protected] [email protected] Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ From: marc garrett <[email protected]> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 13:30:41 +0100 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Ning equivalent? Hi Simon, In know that some people who use this list are not interested in using social networking platforms for various reasons, whether it be from a civil liberties standing point or they just have not found them to be useful or appropriate to their needs. I do use facebook and other social network facilties, mainly to try and promote what we do and communicate to other people who may not be directly aware of the communities and projects we are involved with. I do not like many of them for reasons of privacy, but mainly because I prefer connecting to those who are interested in sharing ideas around art, technology and social contexts, at a deeper level. I feel that it is of extreme importance that free-imaginative thinkers must continue in sharing and negotiating within their own communities as well as outside of their frequently used 'other' realms. A world dominated by those who do not care about our explored expressions, exploitIng us as product, is a nasty way of being. The very medium - the Internet, networked culture; has done, and does offer many possibilities in connecting and sharing beyond a variant of limitations, in respect of local restrictions, yet at the same time our world is falling into a quagmire of commercially dominated and government orientated controls which are closing things down. The less time people spend in 'not' mutually working with others, and building shared communities - the more of a threat it is for neighbourhoods such as Netbehaviour, Furtherfield and other similar groups/organisations/collectives. For the concept of having 'everything' built for you, which is what has been happeing - rather than getting one's hands a bit messy, is another form of us being divided and losing power as individuals and collectives. marc > I like list-serves better than any of the current social media >websites. List-serves are inherently discursive and allow for more >considered discussions that are nevertheless conversational in style. >I believe they remain a novel means of communication and community creation. > > Best > > Simon > > > Simon Biggs > > [email protected] [email protected] Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ > Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ > Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ > > > From: marc garrett <[email protected]> > Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 12:39:19 +0100 > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Ning equivalent? > > Hi all, > > I remember when we began a Netbehaviour group on Ning in its early days, > we were wondering (seems silly now) if it, or something similar would > become a 'possible' replacement for this actual list. But for some > reason, even though quite few did join the Netbehaviour Ning - it did > not feel right, it just was not our own... > > I think, even though we may not have the money or corporate power that > many of these social networking facilities, our community is much more > important, whatever the medium we share - because, if it's our own and > we can trust those who look after it to not sell-out, and we won't! Then > that's not a bad place to be ;-) > > As James Wallbank from Access Space said on here a little while back - > the email list is a 'killer app'. I agree. > > wishing all well. > > marc > > > > > > > > This is seriously terrible, given the flexibility of Ning; SL Odyssey > has > > used it for years to good effect. Bye, http://odysseyart.ning.com/ ! - > > There's no sign yet on the site. > > > > - Alan > > > > > > On Tue, 4 May 2010, dave miller wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know of an open-source alternative to Ning? > >> > >> There are many local communities now built around Ning, but sadly now > >> Ning want to charge: http://about.ning.com/announcement/plans.php > >> > >> I can see lots of people will leave Ning > >> > >> thanks, dave > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NetBehaviour mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >> > >> > > > > > > == > > email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > > webpage http://www.alansondheim.org > > music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > > == > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201
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