Thanks but it really doesn't work that way! Alan -
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, Joel Weishaus wrote: > Alan; > > You're work is too good, and your too well-known, to still be entering > contests! > > -Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Sondheim" <[email protected]> > To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Submissions Now Open for Irrational Exuberance: > A Recession Art Show. > > > > > We're pretty broke most of the time; charging "small" amounts depends on > who's calculating. I wouldn't mind paying for services rendered, i.e. > showing, but I do mind paying for someone else to show, i.e. for me to be > judged and then turned down. Artists in the US at least have it bad; > there's very little money for avant work of any sort, and what there is, > is increasingly drying up. What money's available usually goes into health > care. $20 for submission might seem small, but if you enter 6-7 of these > contests - for that's what they are - you end up paying substantially. > > - Alan > On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, marc garrett wrote: > >> Hi Catherine & all, >> >> I personally do not have an issue with anyone charging a small amount to >> get a project into gear. I have been involved in various shared ventures >> where the group throws money in the tin to get things happening, >> especially if there is no funding for the project out there. Which is >> more apparent these days, with the neoliberalist attack on humanities >> across the board. >> >> And yes - I agree, why people are paying the money in the first place >> needs to be openly declared so others can make a decision on whether >> worth it. It also depends what the actual project is, people could be >> being payed for travel, fees for showing and all quite minimal. It does >> raise ideas around the concept of crreating a functional system which >> allows a kiinf levelling system, which produces a layout where every >> monetary interaction is seen as part of the process of doing the >> project. It would have to be small though, inputting the data would be >> quite demanding. >> >> wishing you well. >> >> marc >> >> >> >>> I'm glad people are mentioning it, because there seems to be a very >> large group of even otherwise economically and politically aware artists >> who have no problem with submission fees. While I understand the ideal >> that even guerilla administrators (curators, fundraisers, pr people, and >> the like) ought to be respected for their work, perhaps by payments of >> money or reimbursement for expenses... at the lowest level, one is >> paying a fee for a service or product that one can execute alone. And >> why? >>> >>> But when did it become ok to charge fees, in time? >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Except under very exceptional circumstances I don't submit for >> things that involve fees and I've backed out of shows when even a small >> one has been retrospectively raised. If people want to mount shows they >> should do the proper preparation and raise funds, preferably enough >> (although I appreciate this is entirely unrealistic) to pay a fee the >> artists they show >>> . >>> An interesting test is whether the person behind the call is >> salaried/in receipt of a fee... >>> >>> cheers >>> michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> > > > == > email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > webpage http://www.alansondheim.org > music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/qv.txt > == > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/qv.txt == _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
