tremendous ruth - no apologies for being artists - you give me courage On Feb 9, 2012 11:51 AM, "ruth catlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> first... come off it James! > surprised by your doubts. > You are one perfect NBer : ) > > then... > Dear Simon et al > > on admitting to being an artist > i hear you but take another approach. > > when it comes up > i brace myself > take a deep breath > and call myself an artist. > > as a way of being FOR art > FOR a tradition of willful (rather than submissive) practices - that I am > not ready to give up on. > being the most artist that I can be > which is to be free and connected and alert and part of a conscious > shaping force of the whole ecology of ideas, beings and things. > > re-claiming art now > and using my elbows the best I can to make some space for future art > freedoms > > i see the encroaching marketization of everything and I refuse to run > and risk loosing touch with the values and process that have shaped me, > enriched my world > > art continues to generate more ways to be and see myself together with > others > i want to keep collaborating with others to create and artify the world. > > corporations are running out of land and mineral and energy resources to > exploit and now it is moving into us, inside us, mining our insides, > "creativity" (as an alternative to art) does not provide a safe haven from > corporatisation. > > so i am for art that is critical, indigestible, eloquent, indescribable, > shapeshifting, cross-realmish, inter-connected, awkward, lumpy, > unmanageable, critical- and networks give us a great way to do this > together. > > cheers > Ruth > > > On 07/02/2012 15:18, Simon Biggs wrote: > > I can understand why some people don't want to call themselves artists, > even when they are. Mike Kelly, a very successful artist, was quoted as > saying that if he'd known art was going to become as corporatised as it has > he would never have chosen to be an artist (this quote has been viral on > Twitter since his recent death). I wonder what he would have chosen to be - > or would he have made up something new? This is what we need... > > People consider what I do as art and assume I'm an artist. However, like > Kelly and James, I became disillusioned with art and the art world a long > time ago - not because I've been given a hard time (quite the contrary) but > because I am disgusted at what seems to motivate many artists and the > people who engage (and run) art professionally. It's become a laundry for > dodgy money. Many artists, curators and cultural commentators are happy to > join the circus. It is sad. > > Due to this I now think of what I do as the "practice once known as > art". A programme I run, which is nominally in an art college (although for > administrative reasons it is located in an architecture department) > intentionally does not have the word art in its title (MSc by Research in > Interdisciplinary Creative Practices). This allows us to work in ways that > a course in our art department, with the expectation of producing artists > to work in the art world, would struggle to consider, bound by a > pre-determined framework of creative practice and engagement that is "art" > as we now know it. Again, it's sad (hope my colleagues in art aren't > reading this) to see students being primed as potential cannon-fodder for > the art world. > > best > > Simon > > > On 7 Feb 2012, at 14:29, isabel brison wrote: > > Hello, > > Just wondering why you choose not to call yourself an artist. Because the > random stuff you post looks suspiciously like art to me... > > Isabel > > > On 6 February 2012 15:04, James Morris <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I recently noticed that facebook warns people about links to my website >> being malicious and surbl.org blacklists my domain name as associated >> with spam. >> >> From what I can tell, some email clients allow filtering of messages >> based upon these blacklists such as multi.surbl.org or ws.surbl.org and >> it is within these lists where my domain is listed in. Spam filters >> which use these lists scan the message _body_ and if a reference to a >> blacklisted domain is found then the message is regarded as spam. >> >> I'm rather disappointed about this and it's lead me to wonder if maybe >> something I've posted here is to blame. I know I've been argumentative >> at times and been reactionary to things I dislike but I hope that the >> actual work I've posted (not so much recent work) over the years has >> made up for it. >> >> The artist career thing for me never took off and academically the >> degree was as far as I got. Programming has become my focus and due to >> that I find little time for anything else. >> >> With that in mind I'm left making posts on the occasional inspired >> impulse. Hence the mobile-shot audio-clips and photographs from while >> I'm at (factory)work. Or screenshots of software I'm trying to develop. >> >> Seems like I'm producing less and less art. But does it have to be art >> to post here? I tend to focus on the "creativity" in the title to help >> me justify my posts here. I have a memory (real or imagined) of when I >> first subscribed of asked Marc if it was ok and he said 'for now'. >> >> The thing is I don't want to unsubscribe just because I'm not an artist >> any more, but the impulses to post *random*stuff* are likely to be >> around for a while... Unless people speak up to disuade me and give >> good reasons for why and etc.... >> >> James. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > > -- > http://isabelbrison.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > Simon Biggs > [email protected] http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ @SimonBiggsUK skype: > simonbiggsuk > > [email protected] Edinburgh College of Art, University of Edinburgh > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.elmcip.net/ http:// > www.movingtargets.co.uk/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing > [email protected]http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >
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