There's huge difference, and I think not seeing that is part of the problem. All violence isn't neo-liberal/colonialist in origin, all warfare isn't 'fundamentally' the same, and all aims aren't even commensurate; for that matter, for me, even the idea of 'origin' becomes suspect; you can trace local histories as far back as you like, things are much more tangled than they appear on the surface.

- Alan - I should apologize for the initial post - I received an email from a moderator at nettime who told me it was "bog-standard" behavior then - which it wasn't, and these discussions tend to become over-loaded.

re below - ISIS is the child of a _lot_ of things and to simplify it with a family model again obscures the complexity and (for me) the violence.

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, helen varley jamieson wrote:

:D perhaps that, fundamentally, there is little difference between the two;
they just have different methods to achieve their aims ...

On 16/09/14 8:22 AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote:
                  Isis when Isis is the child
                  of the mad policies of the West in the
                  Middle East. 


i just made a few notes in an app called swiftkey

i typed ISIS and the spell corrector changed it into USA

does that mean anything ?







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