@Johannes >>>>>>>>> "(I) find the idea of artizen nation objectionable.²

And so I introduce the origin of the concept of ³nation² from Wikipedia:
"related to 'ethnic community' (with) a common history, elements of
distinctive culture, a common territorial association, and sense of group
solidarity.²


Isn¹t that, essentially, what we have staked out here in the nowhereness
of the netbehaviour-space?

On 3/5/15, 1:24 PM, "Johannes Birringer" <johannes.birrin...@brunel.ac.uk>
wrote:

>
>dear all
>
>Ruth's response to the discussion on "citizenship" on the net (following
>Rob, Edward and many others here in this lively debate) is intriguing,
>and I assumed you were seeing the notion of a place (not to speak now of
>a 'nation') or a "here" as deeply problematic, yes?
>
>I do, and I have no inclination to ponder a 'nation', here or anywhere,
>except to look critically at state formations today (or in the past), in
>fact find the idea of artizen nation objectionable. Again, I also do not
>think of this space of conversation and exchange as a place I could
>imagine as anything other than a listserv,  and I don't see myself as an
>artisan or artizen (of the Net) and thus can't fully participate. Most
>all of my work is done on the ground, in the studio and in theatres.
>
>However, I like this list, and often try to read, and noted that there
>are recurring visitors, friendly commentators, archivists, announcers,
>and yes, sharers,  artists who share their work with us, and writers who
>"live" in the space quite emphatically and poetically (like Alan
>Sondheim), keeping me always alive-ly aware of what we are losing and
>what we have already lost, irretrievably.
>
>[here i would re-site Alan's poem from the day after new year's day if
>that were permissible, lest it also becomes invisible but it did
>preoccupy me. thank you]
>
>>>
>Invisibility
>
>http://www.alansondheim.org/cairn016.jpg
>
>Invisibility is the problem of our time, but there are so many!
>Most of our collapsing phenomenologies center on attention
>economies, acceleration, dromodology; these are epistemological
>problems, what might be examined, what should be examined, and
>the process of examination itself. But invisibility is more
>perverse; it is an issue of ontology, of disappearance, from
>within and without, a problem which not only robs us of our
>situation, our habitus, but also invades the discourse of the
>body and the self. It can be a sudden transformation, occurring
>at the edge of the possible, the refugee, the unmanned migrant
>ship floundering and heading for unknown shores; it may also be
>a slow and almost imperceptible withdrawal from being, to the
>extent that being exists as instrumental. Age is one index of
>invisibility, and this I experience: whatever I do increasingly
>makes no difference whatsoever, as long as it is with the bounds
>of the law. Making a difference, making a distinction, is
>fundamentally a communal and social act; when it no longer
>matters, helplessness ensues - not the helplessness of a lack of
>knowledge or tools (but that too), but the helplessness of the
>collapse of speech acts or being. The aging body is a refugee
>body, and what might have passed for wisdom is no longer given
>an audience, but is transformed into some thing swept aside
>within another register altogether. All of this occurs within a
>rigidity of etiquette which is not acknowledged, but which
>creates an iron and exclusionary ontology. Too many people I
>know, for a variety of reasons (political, age, class, religion
>or lack of it) feel marooned, a marooning which answers to no
>shore, no boundary. The issue is one of consequences, which at
>one point in our social evolutions might have been the concern
>of cause and effect, but now operates within the regime of
>effacement (what I have to say is of no consequence, because I
>am not speaking - a Lyotardian differend which operates across
>innumerable strata within broken models of being and the world).
>Engagement is not a projection, not what 'makes us human'; it
>is, of course, a skein, and one now driven by fast- forward
>feedback, ranging from high-speed stock manipulation to high
>speed online text-and-image feeds that leave no time for
>reflection, but, more importantly, no need for reflection as
>well. The horizon of all of this is the fracturing of steering
>problems which dissolve in rhetoric and shifting positions; the
>problems, however, remain and increase in urgency. Behind them
>is an increasingly devastated planet with extinctions and
>population out of control, existing within the immediacy of the
>digital and its potential for internal transformation (a change
>of pixel for pixel, for example), for epistemological slide. ...
>For all of these reasons, these flows, invisibility tends
>towards pharmacology and depression, towards despair and
>violence, towards the inerrancy of fundamental religion and a
>rigidity of logics and taxonomies between believers and non-
>believers. It is easy to conclude from all of this that 'we are
>all invisible' or some such, but in fact, the presence of belief
>and violence point elsewhere, towards a sweeping-aside of the
>ephemeral and the harnessing of the digital for a strict
>rhetoric of communications. For those of us who can neither
>ascribe to this, nor participate (by virtue of the problematic
>'essences' of age, gender, sexual orientation, religion,
>nationality, etc. etc. (all these categories left over from an
>age of classical modernism and post-colonialism)), nothing is
>left, and this nothingness leads nowhere to enlightenment, but
>to those invisibilities which are always hammered into position
>by others, but which always resist positionality as well; this
>is the state of marooning, defined by the receding of that
>instrumental past which at one point, close by, has seemed to be
>heritage, but in fact was a social construct - the social
>construct of time which, fast-forward, takes no time at all. It
>is not that this too shall pass, but that this too has always
>already passed, and where once the I-(pod) might have been,
>there shall no longer be absence, but an absence of absence,
>mute, ontological, nowhere and everywhere at all. There is no
>answer because there is no time, and no evolution of our, or any
>other species; there is only the time of slow cessation, on this
>and other worlds, and the endpoint of invisibility is this -
>that one is invisible because there is nothing to be seen. This
>is no longer brilliant weather, but fabrication bending under
>the weight of its own collapse, as popular culture demonstrates
>over and over again, and we all succumb to its charms, just as
>news, here in Providence, flails out with the slogan 'news you
>can trust,' and advertisements hawk replacements and necessities
>with the slogan 'just for you.' No one drives these, no one
>receives them; events as well are marooned always already some-
>where else, to someone else, to the displacement of populations,
>from nothing to nothing. (Of course there is the trope that
>'this essay, too, is invisible,' but how would one know, and
>where is one? And immediately that one can see tendency towards
>that absolutism that also participates in the annihilation of
>the world, as if that were not an occurrence. What is foregone,
>is foregone by virtue of invisibility; what is present, is
>unaccountable, uncountable, and unaccounted-for. Such are the
>shoals of ontology, such is the unseen, within and without the
>parenthetical.)
>
>http://www.alansondheim.org/cairn011.jpg
>>>
>
>regards
>Johannes Birringer
>
>
>
>
>
>[Ruth schreibt]
>
>Hi Edward
>
>The artisans evocation is not an accident: ) And I share your feeling of
>fellowship, commonness and community.
>
>There are all sorts of problems associated with taking the Net as a
>'place'...however, billions of people now spend a lot of time 'here',
>inventing, socialising, working, playing, committing criminal acts and so
>it feels necessary to start thinking of the net as a place (and it is
>actually emplaced in the cables and computers that constitute it), and
>working out who and how the rights and obligations of its users and
>creators could be negotiated.
>
>Thanks Rob for the prompts and pointers at people and projects that are
>starting out in this direction.
>
>cheers,
>Ruth
>
>On 05/03/15 01:44, Rob Myers wrote:
>On Wed, 4 Mar, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Randall Packer
><rpac...@zakros.com><mailto:rpac...@zakros.com> wrote:
>>>>> ³I'm not sure I feel like a citizen of the net. Š. it (citizen)
>>>>>[also}] means 'A person who is legally recognized as a
>>>>>member<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/member> of a
>>>>>state<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/state>, with associated rights
>>>>>and obligations¹Š and I'm not sure I feel any of those things about
>>>>>the Net."
>
>All true @Edward, all trueŠ but, I leave with you with the following
>Tweet I sent out yesterday (with some embellishment) :
>
>#netartizens<https://twitter.com/hashtag/netartizens?src=hash>: the
>#Internet<https://twitter.com/hashtag/Internet?src=hash> as our own
>self-proclaimed #nation<https://twitter.com/hashtag/nation?src=hash> not
>requiring hierarchical authority from above to be [granted the rights of]
>citizenship [of our own domain].
>
>http://tracks.unhcr.org/2015/02/stateless-in-west-africa/
>
>"Ten million people around the world have no nationality. "
>
>
>
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