He could be a disaster, popular but technical Net guru/lawyer, advocates the commons, has a lot of books out - and if he draws from the Left, it will be a bit like Nader years ago. No chance of winning at all but a slight chance of being a spoiler, which would be disasterous.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, none wrote:

Might interest in this context an interview from democracynow:
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/8/24/we_need_to_fix_our_democracy

The guy is hopeful in tone.

What I think might be interesting here is possibly the way he attempt to
use a single issue campaign as a pivot for other political questions.

There are some, seemingly false premises there - eg hinting at racial
equality via more egalitarian electoral process. however, by positioning
the electoral finance question as an element that can alter many other
progressive concerns, seems an interesting way to galvanise serious,
nation-wide, support - while still keeping an essentially single issue
campaign..
No?

Cheers!

ahaxxx

On Mon, August 24, 2015 9:01 pm, Alan Sondheim wrote:


It's all outrageous, and there's almost no answer that can be given to
Trump's denigration; name-calling - which he's good at - appeals to his
white conservative base, which is his main strength, fundamentalist
christians, the disenfranchised, the furious, the paranoid, etc. etc.

- Alan, beware!


On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, Ana Vald?s wrote:



I agree with Alan and the very narrow gap between Trump and Hillary
shows how the middle voters dissappear and the countries polarizes. In a
confrontation Trump and Bernie i sadly believe Trump wins. If Clinton
loses to Bernie or to Biden, of course. However I don't know the
statistics about how the Black and the Hispano votes. I guess no one
Hispano is going to vote for Trump but he has been
careful not alienating the Blacks the same way. But his proposal of
changing the Constitution and not giving the rights of citizenship to
children born in the US, "the anchor baby", is outrageous against the
children born from the slaves. Ana


El ago 24, 2015 1:36 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <[email protected]> escribi?:


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-fearful-and-the-frustr
ated


He's not a buffoon - he's dangerous.
And to be honest, people said that about Hitler (years ago I
spoke w/ survivors who said he was first perceived as a clown).

- Alan


On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, BishopZ wrote:


I had not heard of the great migration, but it fits
nicely into - all people want is a better life.

I hear what Alan is saying, but Trump is a buffoon.
That is how people
see him. He has no more chance of being elected than Bernie Sanders.
538 blog has it all spelled out.


General questions in the current tone of
conversation:


a) With this and with Dismaland, i think we should talk about eddies of
distraction-like a symbolic diaspora. Hidden in the sense that we are all
deluged with information. Valuable in the sense that cultures grow there.


b) Was the little mermaid glitched? It may be similar in visual
appearance, but that is different than the conceptual art form.

c) Which is more Sensational: Banksy, Donald Trump, or Saatchi &
Saatchi?



distractified, bz






On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Alan Sondheim
<[email protected]> wrote:



What's frightening here, Trump wanting
to get rid of 11 million people, not to mention their children. To do
what? Gather at the Wall? Put them in
camps? The U.S. hasn't even had a conversation about taking in refugees,
given the violence here to come. Trump reminds me of Hitler, threats
both veiled and unveiled, it's always THEM THEM THEM and he's pulling in
record crowds with this kind of garbage. He's only 6 points behind
Hilary, who's
also weak because of the constant email scandal...

- Alan


On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, Johannes Birringer
wrote:



hello

different news corridor where I am at the moment in Europe;


last week we were told UK government wants to close euro tunnel and block
any and all refugees from entering the UK.?  Thousands are currently
in camps at Calais.

then we heard two days ago of the destiny of archaeologist Khaled Asaad.


Islamischer Staat Ein
bestialischer Mord Die Dschihadisten des IS
haben in Palmyra den syrischen Arch?ologen Khaled Asaad ermordet. Der
82-J?hrige hatte ein halbes
Jahrhundert lang die
Ruinenstadt erforscht.



[
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/islamischer-staat-ein-bestial
isc her-mord-13758844.html ]


the refugee and migration dilemma are on everyone's mind, and I wonder
what others here think??  have you heard the predictions for the great
migration? how do you think the administrations of countries and
communities will respond?

regards Johannes Birringer





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From: dave miller
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Reply-To: NetBehaviour for
networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Saturday, August 22,
2015 at 3:24 PM
To: NetBehaviour for
networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour]
banksy dismaland


I've only read the guardian
article but I like the idea. A ghastly theme
park to suit the age of austerity and misery and Tory rule. I must try to
go. An entry to anarchism? I
hope it is. I dont understand why damien hirst and his bunch are involved
though.

On 22 Aug 2015 21:15, "Alan
Sondheim"
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:


it sounds terrific and perfect and J.G.Ballard - would love to see it. I
imagine it's something like Rhode Island -


On Sat, 22 Aug 2015, James
Morris wrote:


any thoughts? good? a good thing? bad? bad in a good way? or just
indifferent.

saw on ch4 news one of the artists had never been an artist before, this
alongside such giants as everyone's favourite: damien hirst.

if damien's there, maybe tracy should be too, but i would like to offer
another solutionm, tracy could come back to her home town and collect
rubbish off the streets - discarded matresses, crt monitors, sofas - that
 people can't be bothered to take to the tip - and perhaps rejuvinate
these items into works of art?

oh sorry. back to dismaland, i would be tempted to visit if it was less
inconvenient, ie, it was just down the road so i didn't have to venture
out of thanet. it's only open for 5 weeks.

there you are then, that's the sum total of my dismal thoughts toward
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