Hi Johannes, thanks; what I mean is that the digital is already conceptually constituted through protocols, etc., and a program is itself already a mapping from electron flows through various protocol layers (assembly language etc.) - and that these mappings lend themselves too easily to other mappings, for example stockmarkets to musical sound, various character relationships in literature to relational diagrams, etc. what the box means, for me, is a kind of messiness in an interaction with the physical - gain Rosset's idiocy of the real, the obdurate of materials as opposed to the kill or abort or delete commands (all representing an implicit but symbolic violence, which has been analyzed itself to death); in my own work, I try to undermine that cleansed mapping, for example the recent 'cybersexual' materials which contain disturbing/abject but unclarified imagery placed within shuddering objects in virtual worlds after re/presentation in Poser's clean interface. The ambiguity by the way seems to me more complex in the box, which focuses on the noisiness and ambiguity of carpentry (as opposed to machinic fabrication); it's not a performance except in the deep sense that every object _has been_ a performance in its making, and every object possesses a _lineage_ of performance; the tools that were used in its construction were made by other tools, one might say for the most part, all the way back, from stone tool to hands and then what? it's a long time, resonating with evolving organisms for millions of years; now gene splicing promises many things of course but also undermines this trajectory, as the planetary environment is extinguished by plastic trash itself. it's all interrelated, and the binary premise of the digital is, I think, inherently problematic in this regard, seemingly promising mastery, which is also where mapping comes in - as if the knowledge, say, gained by mapping stockmarket to sound is somehow a deeper knowledge, etc. it's late at night, apologies for sloppy thinking here, but I feel you know where this is going, even if spelled out badly. in a faulty recapitulation, if formal art of the 20th century were characterized by white walls / white box of museum or gallery, that of the 21st to day is characterized by digital mapping which is everywhere at once, and by which we're timing ourselves out of existence.

- Alan



On Wed, 6 Jan 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:

dear all

best wishes for a creative and peaceful new year!

On January 1, Alan posted a commentary, see at bottom, on a piece called 
"box-with-the-sound-of-its-own-making"
and he gave us a link. I had a look at the box, and at another Morris piece called 
"Site" [1964] which I found even more interesting.

http://www.wikiart.org/en/robert-morris/site-1964

the description..:

<<{...} Morris maneuvered the boards around the stage, until finally using them to again conceal Schneemann, all the while the sound of a jackhammer played repeatedly in the background. Site recalls Box with the Sound of Its Own Making through its use of an audio recording and focus on the banal (de)construction of a wooden structure, but here the situation is more complex and ambiguous; it is unclear whether the anonymous masked Morris or the nude Schneemann, whose pale skin and white backdrop discourage attention, is the focal point of the performance-an ambiguity that prompts the viewer to consider the relative importance of the artistic process versus the resulting artwork itself...]>>

that's interesting, but I remember a disgruntled Carolee Schneemann telling me once that she detested that piece.

What I wanted to ask Alan, or everyone, is whether we could discuss the 
provocative comment made in the post, namely that
conceptual works of this nature are an easy and also conventional trap..

realize that it's easy to produce _conceptual
traps_ of this sort, rather than otherwise, and that such traps
in fact constitute the very nature of art and its mappings
within the framework or aegis of the digital>>

I may not fully undestand what you are after, Alan. Please elaborate.


ps.
As I write this, I remember a visit to Houston's  Contemporary Art Museum
and the exhibit "Compilation" by Jennie C. Jones, an artist who mixes 
sculpture, painting and sound
in remarkable ways (>>the act of listening, as well as the modes thereof, 
become in and of themselves
part of her practice, which has evolved from literal references to music in 
early drawings and collages
to more nuanced and multifaceted installations that engage the viewer visually and 
aurally>>)

do you know her work?


regards
Johannes Birringer





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As if it were Robert Morris'

http://www.alansondheim.org/clicks.png

and the box w/ the sounds of its own making, whereas in this
case, registration of computer clicks producing the image
measuring the registration or the image registering the
production of its (digital, imaginary) needle sway or spectral
imaginary of the registration of computer clicks; since the
digital is always conceptual, always conceived along code and
protocol lines; realize that it's easy to produce _conceptual
traps_ of this sort, rather than otherwise, and that such traps
in fact constitute the very nature of art and its mappings
within the framework or aegis of the digital; all that remains
to be done here is to acknowledge the entities that produced the
(linux) operating system and its (now and current) attendant
apps; so it's as if it were Robert Morris but without the labor,
the physicality of the world, which has been replaced by the
coupling of finger-strokes within the closed apparatus of the
computer, just as the Morris box, if I remember correctly, was
constituted by a taped recording within it, the sounds evident
through a speaker, to one and all, the audience within a gallery
somewhere on a street in a city in the world, people milling
about, wars, holocausts, nations, in the midst of what would be,
at best, a relatively quiet sound, a moment away, within, of
silence, even, something thought, something dwelling, among
you, something _there._ *

* but among the slaughters as well, the sounds of their own
making as well, and just as well

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http://www.wikiart.org/en/robert-morris/box-with-the-sound-of-its-own-making-1961

Artist: Robert Morris

Completion Date: 1961

Style: Minimalism, Conceptual Art

Genre: installation

As its title indicates, Morris's "Box with the Sound of Its Own
Making" consists of an unadorned wooden cube, accompanied by a
recording of the sounds produced during its construction.
Lasting for three-and-a-half hours, the audio component of the
piece denies the air of romantic mystery surrounding the
creation of the art object, presenting it as a time-consuming
and perhaps even tedious endeavor. In so doing, the piece also
combines the resulting artwork with the process of artmaking,
transferring the focus from one to the other. Fittingly, the
first person in New York Morris invited to see the piece was
John Cage-whose silent 1952 composition 4'33" is famously
composed of the sounds heard in the background while it is being
performed. Cage was reportedly transfixed by Box with the Sound
of Its Own Making, as Morris later recalled: "When Cage came, I
turned it on... and he wouldn't listen to me. He sat and
listened to it for three hours and that was really impressive to
me. He just sat there."

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