tbc Beyond Violence and Nonviolence https://roarmag.org/magazine/beyond-violence-nonviolence-antifascism/
sound & curation AGF: @poemproducer / .com sound wave : antyegreie.com > On 2 Jun 2017, at 10:40, AGF poemproducer <a...@poemproducer.com> wrote: > > i totally agree w you > > but get rid of armed gangsters in full power … on top of the world ? > > many many black people died before and after rosa parks > if people go in submission it becomes Russia - 100s of years of brutal > opppression > > also wondering about the chinese after tank man > both tank man and the thousands of people who fought > > still imprisoned, locked away in massive amounts > > now extending to journalists IN THE US!! > > currently Six US journalists face up to 10 years (each) in prison after being > arrested while covering protests against Trump. > > just saying, fundamentalist christians with highest military order and > surveillance state > sophistcated weapons etc, nukes etc > > anyway, I am not saying we stand any other chance > as one really smart trump supporting kid said > > w violence YOU loose > > >> On 02 Jun 2017, at 09:46, Ann Light <ann.li...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> In answer to the discussions on violence, it depends what we mean. We do not >> need guns to effect change. >> >> I'd say that *non-violent* resistance has got people a long way... Nowadays >> especially, when the revolutions are led by media stories and good coverage >> is the way to hearts and minds, there is a lot to be said for staging clever >> non-violent interventions - and I mean staging them. Though none of that is >> new either, the Suffragettes, Gandhi, etc. did it. >> >> I just had the antecedence of that legendary photo of Rosa Parks on the bus >> explained to me. No surprises that such a dignified woman was picked for the >> exercise. But I didn't know that the guy behind her was part of the media >> entourage there to cover the event. When they couldn't get the picture they >> needed with some white guy behind her, they put one of the team there. >> >> Cultural change may be slower than revolution but it embeds new ways of >> being rather than merely agitating and brutalising people. And smart >> resistance using the technologies of the time is a cornerstone of culture >> change. As this list knows... being smart and resisting. >> >> My tuppence ha'penny, >> Ann >> >>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 7:20 AM, AGF poemproducer <a...@poemproducer.com> >>> wrote: >>> i’d say slavery would have not been ended without violent uproar by slaves >>> >>> i’d say french revolution made a few points >>> >>> i am no expert >>> >>> but all i see is super gangsters with guns winning >>> how would they go away by themselves without a big shoot out >>> >>> very curious >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 31 May 2017, at 20:30, aharon <mis...@spell.blue> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes.. hard to imagine without violence and indeed, perhaps, even the >>>> wonderings that attempt to rid of viovence - fail in the face of >>>> brutalisation. >>>> >>>> I have to say.. sorry but perhaps a question needs to be asked, with a >>>> general You in mind: >>>> have you been to places and in contact with people who went through the >>>> serious blood shedding - and actually got their way? >>>> >>>> its an honest question. am curious because it seems to me, perhaps >>>> wrongly, that when ever violence is being used - from implied through to >>>> verbal and onto the body - everyone lose. >>>> Suddenly what was hoped for initially is being eclipsed by the urgency to >>>> deal with the effects from violence. Hope is eclipsed and, many times, i >>>> think, gets lost by the very acts of violence.. >>>> >>>> hence.. here in brasilia.. with the recent violence.. it seems to me, that >>>> the very deliverers of violence, the waiters of violence, (aka soldiers) >>>> had to be questioned through imagination, through energetic means rather >>>> than either power nor violence.. A wry smile from a soldier being asked >>>> who's violence is he waiting to deliver from, the woman who can not afford >>>> health care, or a president that needs power? A look of a click from a >>>> soldier that just realisied he can be, at times, un-guided.. I hope I >>>> didn't use violence then.. Just for that spark of imagination being able >>>> to be questioned.. >>>> I think it was done without neither power nor violence.. However, always >>>> ready to learn.. >>>> >>>> If am wrong - what am i missing? (will be glad to hear and maybe even >>>> manage to learn! :) ) >>>> >>>> Have much fun! >>>> >>>> aharon >>>> xx >>>> >>>> May 30 2017 7:39 AM, "AGF poemproducer" <a...@poemproducer.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> hard to imagine there is a way fwd without serious blood shed >>>> ;( >>>> you forgot to say, they have the biggest guns >>>> and are advise by google >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 29 May 2017, at 19:13, Randall Packer <rpac...@zakros.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> TRUMP’s New World Disorder is revolution of the highest magnitude, played >>>>> out on the world stage, a geo-mashup and disruption of convention, >>>>> democracy, and humanity. >>>>> http://www.randallpacker.com/new-world-disorder/ >>>>> Randall >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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